Blink,
You may be interested in this. I needed to get some videos from one of my HD-DVD's to re-use again.
VS11+ (ulead), wouldn't read the EVO extension. I renamed them to mpg and VS11+ gladly accepted them. VS11+ also read them correctly and reported the same video/audio parameters they were encoded at. So to combine them was an easy task of smart-rendering them out to a new single file.

Then I opened Vegas Pro 8b and did the same. Vegas is also not re-encoding them and read them the same as they were originally encoded.
I used Vista to copy them from the dvd to my harddisk. Vista reads UDF 2.6 no problem.
I remember you posted something about getting the videos off the HD-DVD's.
Hope you could use this information. Appears to be to just rename the extension from EVO to MPG.

Great idea! Does anyone want to buy one of my HD DVD players to watch it on? I've got two and I'll sell 'em cheap...

Thanks 4eyes... that's actually a big help!

Wow ... ok, well im wondering, are sales that dismal that a push to "buy" a movie will salvage an entire format?

This is rubbish IMO. If HD DVD camp actually pushed the product as much or moreso than Sony, then this wouldnt be a format war but a shared level of technology offered to the public on an equal level.
Customer would say :"I forked out for a ps3, so im looking for BD... " while the customer B would say, i bought my hd dvd player for 200bux, i want HD DVD"and on the shelf there is the same movie, in the same codec, in the same resolution, with the same respective features, for the same price.. side by side.
But no.. this only happened on teh rarest of occasions..

It became a war when teh studios took sides, and those studios are now suffering for it and begging people to Buy their movies...
Its pathetic

Then again, those studios in question wont care about YOUR INVESTMENT once HD DVD is out of teh game, becuase theyll just jump across to BD as theyre push to control, has actually pushed them across the bridge to lose control.

So was this a covert conspiracy to bring down HD DVD from the inside.. ? when you think about it, it could very well be possible.. lol but in all seriouslness these studios are too big to even think about that kinda of thing.

In the end, the studios shoudl have considered their standing and made the decision to offer viewers a choice. They failed to do that.
And now with this cry out to buy a movie, its as though theyre all clutching at straws for a futile effort to salvage whatever dignity they can.

Im sory, but the studios bought this onto themselevs
If anyone is to blame its themselves.

It didnt have to be this way

Blink, why on earth would you consider buying a movie on HD-DVD now? You'll just have to (illegally) convert it to BD anyway. You said so yourself.

I believe HD DVD is dying, but that doesn't mean I'm prepared to start killing it myself. I have not burned HD DVD's in a while now, but whether or not I burn them does not voice my opinion on the official stage. As far as the official stage goes... I still believe in the format, think it's better than BD, and my opinion should be heard in terms of movie sales.

I've not been a big supporter of the "tail wagging the dog" philosophy, but more power to you! I won't be purchasing any equipment (monitor / TVs / burners / media ) to support either or emerging formats in the foreseeable future, at least until the controversy (read that $) settles down considerably, so may the best format win.
I'm so old I still think DVDs and 720 are cool!

I'm so old I still think DVDs are cool!

You're not old.... just average. Fact is that most people feel that their dvd's are just fine. This is not like the switch from VHS to DVD where there were tremendous advantages to be gained. The truth is that if you have a good upscale dvd player, then quite a few of these movies will come out looking ALMOST the same on regular dvd. Place that idea up against the price and BD may have won this......... but it may just end up being a slightly empty win.

but it may just end up being a slightly empty win.

considering that the same people who spend the $$ on this high-end equipment will be the same people who download HD movies straight to a DVR device in the next few years, I agree. Disc players could very well be on their way out. We all know that in the codec war, hardware clout means nothing (coughDIVXcough).

The committees are already meeting to devise a standard for 3D Home Cinema. Sounds to me like BD is already obsolete.
There does seem to be a real war going on, but it's a wierd one. The cinemas desperately need 3D to give them something that home cinema doesn't have. Of course as soon as the consummer electronics people saw the 3D thing coming in cinemas they decided that should be the next big thing in home cinemas too.

In another facet of this war I see Sony and others will be offering an internet connectivity module for thei Bravia TVs. I think that will also include a TiVo like capability.

Bob.

4eyes, thanks! I just assumed that everyone knew that the EVO extension was a wrapper for the mpeg2. It would be nice if that HD DVD group would open up the format and let the PS3 and other BD players play the content "as is".

We need to start a "heads-up" database for this forum for encoding, etc.

Here's one for you Rock. (It holds quite true in my end of Canada anyway).

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10688