OT: The New World of Super 8mm

Skratch wrote on 8/27/2010, 4:31 PM
This is the new Vision 3 200T in Super 8 format available from Kodak. More and more post houses are offering HD telecine transfers of Super 8 delivered uncopmressed on a hard drive. For those who don't know, this is 16th the resolution of a standard 35mm frame and it looks pretty darn amazing-
www.vimeo.com/14317782

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farss wrote on 8/27/2010, 5:08 PM
" this is 16th the resolution of a standard 35mm frame and it looks pretty darn amazing"

So, imagine how much resolution there is in the same stock at 35mm!
I wonder if they'd cut a couple of rolls of Vision 3 for me in Regular 8?

I've got a very nice R8 camera that someone gave me, older than me and it still works. Batteries not included nor needed.

Bob.
Skratch wrote on 8/27/2010, 5:28 PM
You would have to order an insane amount, but e100D looks really nice in R8 as you may already know. The solid registration of R8 is so nice-
farss wrote on 8/27/2010, 5:54 PM
" The solid registration of R8 is so nice-"

Thank you for saying that. I used to transfer a lot of R8 and S8 and I could never work out why despite all the hype about S8, the old R8 seemed better.

Bob.
Serena wrote on 8/27/2010, 6:06 PM
A lot of 8mm cameras had cheap lenses and imprecise back focus. With properly set up high quality prime lenses (on a camera of the quality of a Pailliard-Bolex) it was a different story. Kodachrome II reversal was a nice high resolution stock.
Earl_J wrote on 8/27/2010, 6:32 PM
I have a Yashica Super-40K that I purchased back in 1973 for our trip across the country by Plymouth Duster. . . 4-speed Hurst with a big block V-8 and 4-barrel Holley. . . Reno, NV to Mtn View, CA to Salt Lake City, UT to Oklahoma City, OK to Lake Okachobee, FL to Fort Bragg, NC - 45 days on the road ... I digress... (grin)
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Anyhow, all this talk makes me want to order some film and start using it again - just to compare to my GL-2 and HV30 ... (lol) ... especially now that I know how to use it properly now... (lol)

Until that time ... Earl J.
Skratch wrote on 8/27/2010, 8:38 PM
"A lot of 8mm cameras had cheap lenses and imprecise back focus. With properly set up high quality prime lenses (on a camera of the quality of a Pailliard-Bolex) it was a different story. Kodachrome II reversal was a nice high resolution stock. "
Some of the higher end cameras had really nice lenses in their time, like the Nizos, Canons, Beaulieus, and especially the Liecina Special. It's been a pipe dream that a new super 8 camera would hit the market, but the market just isn't big enough unfortunately for that to happen. The makers of the A-cam Super 16 had a prototype for a DS8 model, but the cost would have been around 5K when your selling to a small base.

"Anyhow, all this talk makes me want to order some film and start using it again - just to compare to my GL-2 and HV30 ... (lol) ... especially now that I know how to use it properly now... "
The E100D was released in April, color reversal like K40... same fine resolution but the colors are way more intense with cleaner whites, more shadow detail ect. It really digs into the shadows of rich color.
http://motion.kodak.com/US/en/motion/Products/Production/Spotlight_on_Super_8/index.htm


arenel wrote on 8/28/2010, 11:10 AM
Not to pick a nit, but the resolution of 35mm motion picture film would be about four times that of Super 8mm. The Academy aperture is about 21mm horizontally, R8mm about 4mm and S8mm about 5mm.

It is very exciting that Kodak is still supporting the S8 format. I remember a Kodak evaluation comparing the projected images of 16mm reversal printed on reversal stock to Super 8 Kodakchrome. Kodak declared very close to a tie.
Ralph
Skratch wrote on 8/28/2010, 2:12 PM
"Not to pick a nit, but the resolution of 35mm motion picture film would be about four times that of Super 8mm. The Academy aperture is about 21mm horizontally, R8mm about 4mm and S8mm about 5mm."
Thats not how it works. The surface area of the frame is what matters. You have to magnify an S8 frame 16 times greater to fill the same screen surface as a 35mm frame, or 4 times greater to fill the same screen surface as a S16mm frame... Roughly that is, there are variations in 16 & 35mm frame sizes. A super 8 frame is actually 1/3 the size of a reg 16mm frame...
arenel wrote on 9/2/2010, 8:58 AM
Wrong!

Resolution is frequently described as lines per millimeter. Magnification is also described in a linear fashion. 10X is 10 diameters.

"A super 8 frame is actually 1/3 the size of a reg 16mm frame..".
In area, you are correct. In resolution it is about 60% that of 4:3 16mm given the same lens and film stock..

Ralph