OT Uncreative COW

Rory Cooper wrote on 3/11/2010, 10:06 PM
I have tried to post a topic on COW for a while and couldn’t post so I e-mailed Ron Lindeboom to see what the problem could be as I posted about 18 months ago no problem.

and got this unprofessional undignified rude reply:

We hate ALL CAPS for names or subject lines at Creative COW. Don't be lazy. Use upper- and lower-case. Your name is ALL CAPS and we will not being approving it.

The Creative COW Team.

No headers, hi …please ,thanks, etc.


My return was:

Thanks so much I have changed it

What I hate is incorrect grammar for example “we will not being approving it”

Don’t be lazy. Use upper class – not lower class grammar

What we all really hate are hypocrites, isn’t COW all upper case and it’s a “name”

And wholly COW for a “Team” your mail is not very “Creative” …..wholly by the way means completely, NOT holy, so don’t expect any adoration from me

Now can I please ask a question on the forum?


Well that must have done it. Now I am no longer allowed to be heard in the herd
Sadly the Bull is also a dictator. very uncreative indeed.

At least we get treated as human and not cattle by Sony Vegas forum admin
Rory

Comments

PeterWright wrote on 3/11/2010, 10:25 PM
Well, what was the question?

Peter
(also unable to post there)
ushere wrote on 3/11/2010, 10:50 PM
me neither - i told someone to rtfm....

i mean, REALLY!
Rory Cooper wrote on 3/12/2010, 12:22 AM
The question was

Can this be done in Vegas

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97528349@N00/254371355/


I am struggling to work out how to paint a image sequence in Boris RED 04

Where if I paint on 12 images, the 12 need to be in sequence. Not 12 all the same, running in sequence as is what I end up with
I have imported the sequence on a pre compose track which I drop on a image track but end with same result

I suppose I would have to save the images as a brush sequence then paint

Anyone got any ideas

ushere wrote on 3/12/2010, 1:14 AM
i somehow think you've posted a wrong link......

however, the cow joke is funny.....
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 3/12/2010, 1:49 AM
lol - that was a pretty good one, for being a bit rude in itself. Definitely funny though.
Richard Jones wrote on 3/12/2010, 3:20 AM
Yes, I've found COW to be incredibly over-sensitive as well. It seems they don't like any suggestions about the way the layout of the forum might be improved --- they seem to see any such suggestions as unwelcome criticism even when the ideas are offered with goodwill and with the intention of trying to be helpful.

I have e-mailed them twice to seek an explanation for my being excluded but without having had the courtesy of a reply.

Shame because their forum is both interesting and informative.

Richard
Rory Cooper wrote on 3/12/2010, 3:57 AM
Leslie the link is correct. Cows and people getting confused with reality

Richard I was very disappointed, I don’t have issues with forum rules and policy and do my best to abide by them

I was hooved, not because of breaking forum rules but because I replied to a rude e-mail.
they are just plain arrogant.
Richard Jones wrote on 3/12/2010, 4:18 AM
Rory. I don't have any issues issues with forum rules either and am more than happy to abide by them. But ignoring those who are trying to help and not having the courtesy to reply to e-mails is hardly a good advert for the way they themselves interpret their own rules.

Richard
richard-amirault wrote on 3/12/2010, 5:18 AM
I was hooved, not because of breaking forum rules but because I replied to a rude e-mail.they are just plain arrogant.

More like: "I was hooved, not because of breaking forum rules but because I rudely replied to a rude e-mail.they are just plain arrogant."

What did you expect? In a situation like this they are the *last* word. There is no place to appeal their decision.
Dach wrote on 3/12/2010, 5:30 AM
Rory,

I appreciate you having responded in the way you did. I'm far from being perfect when using proper English, but I have been very frustrated by the lack of respect that is shown when no salutation is used in professional correspondance.

Thanks,

Chad
BudWzr wrote on 3/12/2010, 6:07 AM
Getting "Kicked Off The COW" is one of the minimum prerequisites these days. Proof positive that you ARE actually creative.
Soniclight wrote on 3/12/2010, 7:54 AM
Ditto here on having had bad experience at CC with whomever runs or supervises the board in terms of suggesting improvements, comments (this was a few years ago). Total over-reaction mode, IMO, and it was odd for I'm not the flaming or rude type. I got frozen out for a while = persona non grata.

When I came back, I learned my lesson - stay out of their way (don't suggest creative alternatives) and just stick to the reason I go there: I usually only participate in the Particleillusion forum and get along with everyone there just fine.

Personally, I wish GenArts (who recently acquired Wondertouch/Particleillusion would find a better forum platform that isn't swamped with slews of flashing ads -- i.e. there are plenty of good, free community/BBS/etc. apps out there. It wouldn't cost much to have a small acre of bits on some server somewhere. Pennies a day.

Or better yet, create a forum or community on the GenArts site for PI as other companies do for their various products (such as Sony has done here).

But for now, as long as there is somewhere I can ask or answer PI questions, I'm OK.
CC or no CC.

CC just seems to be a bit stuck on keeping things the same in pre-21st century model in terms of forums, whereas the rest of the Net has moved on.

All that said, besides the forum management quirkiness, CC was a pioneer in the 90's and has been a contributor to the whole creative/digital arts community for a long, long time. Got to give them that.
Coursedesign wrote on 3/12/2010, 8:49 AM
COW is an acronym for Communities Of the World, so the all caps are appropriate here.

Until not long ago, it was run 100% by a husband-and-wife team in Cambria, Calif, and they were running themselves ragged reading all posts in all forums around the clock to make sure there was nothing inappropriate posted ever.

They did not get a lot of sleep those years, but they seem a bit more relaxed today.

Whether you like the flashing ads or not, some of them are good (and not just the Videoguys 5% off coupons), and the COW is an outstanding resource for video and film professionals.

What's even more remarkable is that they started a (very good) Creative COW print magazine that they say is profitable.

TLF wrote on 3/12/2010, 9:40 AM
COW is an acronym for Communities Of the World, so the all caps are appropriate here.

I disagree: all caps is not appropriate. of and the would be lowercase if following standard English rules, so it should be CotW (or, if you really want 'cow' CoW).

I like the OP's reply. If CoW doesn't want his creative input, then it's a poorer place for his absence.
bStro wrote on 3/12/2010, 9:45 AM
CC just seems to be a bit stuck on keeping things the same in pre-21st century model in terms of forums, whereas the rest of the Net has moved on.

Really? 'Cause their mobile version is by far one of the best I've ever used -- as opposed to some forums (ahem) that are a total PITA to navigate in mobile environment.

Rob
rmack350 wrote on 3/12/2010, 11:13 AM
I've got to agree on this point. This forum is not navigable on a mobile device. Didn't know that the CoW worked better.

The CoW has a reputation for not tolerating be crossed. Not even slightly. I don't think it has any relation to creativity. It's certainly impolitic, but I think the point being made is that it's their forum and you're a guest in it. Don't get to comfortable.

Rob
Chienworks wrote on 3/12/2010, 12:06 PM
Actually lowercase is always optional. Any letter may be capitalized in standard English usage. COW is just as correct as CoW. FoR THat mATTer tHIs SENtence iS CORreCTly, iF UNUSUalLY capITALIzed, siNCE tHE INItiaL "f" IS caPITAL.
Coursedesign wrote on 3/12/2010, 1:45 PM
This forum is not navigable on a mobile device.

No problem on the iPhone.

In landscape mode, this site looks like it is custom-made for it.
rmack350 wrote on 3/12/2010, 3:05 PM
What's an iPhone?

Actually, I installed Opera 10 on my phone last night and this site seems a little easier to deal with, but that's opera, not the site. The site itself isn't designed for phones.

Looking at sites and how good or bad they are on a phone has been really instructive for me. I've learned a lot more about CSS because of it.

Rob
Coursedesign wrote on 3/12/2010, 4:42 PM
Why not a WebKit mobile browser?

Apple's open-source project has taken the world by storm, it is the third most popular browser core after IE and Firefox, even Android uses it thanks to its superiority in a mobile environment.

Opera has some advantages, but I'm not aware of any sites written for it.

The link above has some geeky info about CSS also.

rmack350 wrote on 3/12/2010, 5:42 PM
We're now OT, but it shouldn't matter which browser you use on a phone. The page should display nicely regardless of browser. One of the many beauties of cascading style sheets is that they can completely rearrange your page based on the type of device it's being displayed on, so the exact same page can look different in a PC browser, on a mobile device, on a printer, etc.

The fact that Opera Mobile 10 or a WebKit-based browser can display a poorly formed page reasonably on a tiny screen is a band-aid over inadequate design. For example, in CSS you can treat a hyperlink as a block element and make the area to click on much bigger than just the text. This is perfect for a touch screen, no matter what the size.

Full disclosure here. I've been working on a huge website for 8 or 9 years now. It's TERRIBLY designed and horribly unwieldy on a phone, or for printing. Although I didn't design the site, I've been with it so long that I have to cop to being one of the worst CSS offenders around.

Rob
Soniclight wrote on 3/12/2010, 8:50 PM
Rob, you quoted and responded to my line of...

"CC just seems to be a bit stuck on keeping things the same in pre-21st century model in terms of forums, whereas the rest of the Net has moved on."
__________

We were discussing the feedback with admin there issue, not the technology per se, so on that I just shared my experience which reflects that of others.
Now, as the tech side - ergo mobile access, hey, touché. I know nothing about it because...

I don't have or have never used a cell phone.
[Insert gasp on incredulity by most readers]

Yeah, you can all laugh at me, but it's nonetheless true due to that I have no need for one. Explaining how someone in this day and age doesn't have one would probably only embarrass me, so I won't go there.

Definitely going even more OT here too - lol
apit34356 wrote on 3/12/2010, 10:40 PM
Uncreative COW, well, if I remember correctly, even spot, DSE, was act odds with management for a couple of years,( he was booted or stop posting or both or neither). DSE is strong will, but I think COW finally realized DSE was an asset to the website and I think DSE has learned to bend in strong winds vs breaking. ;-)

Regardless what happened. COW is better with DSE than not.
PeterWright wrote on 3/13/2010, 1:59 AM
Yeah, it's ironic that Spot was part of the reason I'm now persona non grata in the meadow.

I was a leader on the Cow Vegas Forum during the time that Spot and Ron were "having issues" and someone posted a question about Vegas plugins. I dared to suggest they have a look at the VASST site, and my post was removed.

When I found out the reason, I resigned on principle, as they were restricting my role to fully respond to a question, then I discovered that not only did they remove me as a leader, but that I wasn't allowed to post at all.

Now Spot's a forum leader there .... as I said, ironic. In fact I'm glad that Spot and Ron have sorted out their issues, but the pettiness they showed in that episode dissolved my interest in visiting.