OT:Wanna big surprise?

Spot|DSE wrote on 3/14/2005, 2:28 PM
Go out and shoot your Z1/FX1 in CF 24 in DVCam mode.
Capture it, drop it into Vegas with a 24p timeline.
See what you get.
It'll surprise you. Sony won't comment on what we've discovered, but....
And if you happen to have a DVX100 that you can shoot with the Z1/FX1 side by side....you'll enjoy what you get, IMO.

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scottshackrock wrote on 3/14/2005, 2:32 PM
well, for those of us who don't have this stuff...tell us...ha
Nat wrote on 3/14/2005, 2:33 PM
We wanna know !
BrianStanding wrote on 3/14/2005, 2:35 PM
C'mon, Douglas, don't be coy. Spill it, please?
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/14/2005, 2:35 PM
24p
Nat wrote on 3/14/2005, 2:36 PM
Are you saying vegas will do the pull down on 24p cineframe stuff that comes from the fx/zu cams ?
epirb wrote on 3/14/2005, 3:39 PM
This is puttting the m2t on the t/l or the DI
BarryGreen wrote on 3/14/2005, 3:52 PM
DSE, I'm not sure what you're saying here. You're saying shoot CF24 in DV mode on an FX1, and compare that to a DVX? I've done that, and the result isn't 24p at all. The FX1's CF24 in DV mode looks like it should be a telecine'd 24p, but it doesn't act like it. The motion rendition is uneven and herky-jerky. I shot CF24 in DV mode side-by-side with a DVX in 24P mode, shooting a lockdown shot of a car driving by. On the DVX the car moved an equal increment on each frame, as it should. On the FX1/CF24, over the course of two frames it moved about the same amount as the DVX did over two frames, but the motion wasn't even, it was divided up about 1/3 allocated to the first frame, and 2/3 to the second. The result was, predictably, a very uneven stuttering/jerking motion.

That motion rendition stays that way whether you use the 2/3 pulldown removal feature in Vegas 5 ("File Format Properties") or not.

Are you saying you've discovered something else? Or that the Z1 does it differently or something?
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/14/2005, 4:04 PM
I'm shooting DVCam mode, but that shouldn't make any difference.
epirb wrote on 3/14/2005, 4:40 PM
Ooops missed the Dvcam mode it the first post.
BarryGreen wrote on 3/14/2005, 6:06 PM
Couldn't shoot DVCAM on the FX1, of course, but that shouldn't make any difference...

... unless the Z1 is internally doing something different than the FX1 is. I thought it had been confirmed that the Z1 and FX1 CF24 were identical?
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/14/2005, 6:08 PM
Barry, I made an error in what I was looking at. I thought I was looking at a DVCam stream, when what I was looking at is a 4:2:2 stream downconverted. I'm testing a variety of products, and crossed wires.
I've put images at http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/training/SonyHVR-Z1U_CF-24_cadence.htm but they're nothing to jump over.
It does look better on my LCD than the HDV does in terms of smoothness, but it still ain't a DVX. However, it's (frame by frame) the same as the DVX in advanced mode, or appears to be. 3 progressive, 1 half, 3 progressive. The DVX does 2 progressive, 3 half, 2 progressive, yes?