OT: WOW WOW WOW!

Coursedesign wrote on 4/17/2009, 3:37 PM
Match this production if you can:

http://www.cinema.philips.com/?ls=gb_en

They must have had a very healthy budget...

See it straight through the first time, then again with your cursor on the timeline, looking for blue popups to get commentaries from the DP, Director, and VFX supervisor.

The whole thing is actually the most sophisticated commercial I have ever seen.

Made my heart beat a bit faster... :O)

Comments

CorTed wrote on 4/17/2009, 3:47 PM
That is truly amazing!!!!

Ted
apit34356 wrote on 4/17/2009, 4:00 PM
definitely impressive, sad that Philips drop the 3D HD TV development and the advance cinema dep today.
bStro wrote on 4/17/2009, 4:33 PM
Couldn't care less about a 21:9 display (I only got a 16:9 TV in the last couple years -- and lived with letterboxing just fine before that), but I'd love to see a Making Of for that commercial.

Rob
ushere wrote on 4/17/2009, 5:06 PM
bloody amazing - but i totally agree with rob - couldn't care less about 21:9.

leslie
farss wrote on 4/17/2009, 5:16 PM
It's certainly impressive, love to know how it was done.
I much prefer a wider frame, each to his own I guess.
I was bit shocked to learn that the DCI spec uses a fixed frame that's masked for 'scope. That makes 'scope easier to compress than 16:9.

Bob.
Coursedesign wrote on 4/17/2009, 6:06 PM
Primarily mannequins and Steadicam.

Mmmmm...
fldave wrote on 4/17/2009, 6:24 PM
I can't get anything to play? Firefox or IE
Chienworks wrote on 4/17/2009, 6:29 PM
I still like 4:3 better. Widescreen seems cramped. I guess i'm just a vertical person.
Former user wrote on 4/17/2009, 7:22 PM
I'm with Chienworks on the aspect thing. I don't like turning my head to watch TV. I am a lazy couch potato.

Dave T2
Coursedesign wrote on 4/17/2009, 7:24 PM
Widescreen seems cramped.

On a 4:3 screen, I agree with you.
Coursedesign wrote on 4/17/2009, 7:25 PM
I can't get anything to play? Firefox or IE

You need to have Flash installed, probably even Flash 10 (which is better anyway).
AtomicGreymon wrote on 4/17/2009, 7:53 PM
Great commercial, for sure... wish I could do that, lol.

As for the TV... no doubt it would be great for watching movies filmed in a wider format than 16x9. I'm starting to think someone should release a special 4x3 HDTV that uses 1920x1440 or 1440x1080 , though... it seems that each new generation of TV is become less and less friendly towards the massive back catalog of 4x3 content... there were a lot of great films made prior to 1955, and decades worth of TV shows. I don't see how a 21:9 TV is going to benefit them.
Coursedesign wrote on 4/17/2009, 10:08 PM
TVs in Europe have had Smart Stretch of 4:3 to 16:9 for 10-15 years now.

It is incomprehensible to me why this is not on 100.00% of all U.S. widescreen TVs.

(Smart Stretch uses variable expansion across the frame to great effect.)
AtomicGreymon wrote on 4/17/2009, 10:13 PM
It is incomprehensible to me why this is not on 100.00% of all U.S. widescreen TVs

Probably because the manufacturers recognize that the vast majority of buyers aren't at all discriminating or knowledgeable. So they can get away with not spending the money to implement this feature, because all those people are perfectly happy watching terribly distorted and stretched 4x3 content on their 16x9 TVs.

Personally, though, even smart stretching technology like that kind of irks me. If something was filmed and produced in 4x3, I'd rather watch it with Pillarboxes than under the influence of any kind of stretching technology, no matter how smart.
GlennChan wrote on 4/18/2009, 12:20 AM
A 21:9 TV would only make 4:3 way worse... so I'm really skeptical about this aspect ratio.

Also, it isn't really a standard aspect ratio so it will have a lot of problems. e.g. very little material is going to be sold as 21:9.

2- Some people like to stretch 4:3 content... these folks will stay away from this TV.

Also, there's a lot of 4:3 content... watching something with huge pillars would be really annoying for me.

3- The commercial is amazing though!!
Chienworks wrote on 4/18/2009, 4:41 AM
"TVs in Europe have had Smart Stretch of 4:3 to 16:9 for 10-15 years now. It is incomprehensible to me why this is not on 100.00% of all U.S. widescreen TVs."

I can't stand this feature. I think it looks horrible. In fact it's much worse than simple stretch, which is quite a bit worse than pillarboxing.

I think all screens should be 1:1. That way there's always some extra vertical room left over for all the 'on screen' information that on can't seem to get away from these days. It could be displayed in that extra area instead of on top of the video i'm trying to watch*. Also think how much nicer this would be when producing a photo slides show and you include some 'portrait' layout images.






*Let the TV stations put their stupid little ads of what's coming up next in that extra vertical area instead of right on top of the show i'm watching now! Not only would i be able to continue watching the current show with far more enjoyment, but i could cover up that part of the screen with a curtain and not be bothered by the ad at al. :)
John_Cline wrote on 4/18/2009, 4:58 AM
I don't quite understand why people get so annoyed watching 4:3 stuff on a 16:9 TV. The pillars are black and you're seeing at least as much of the image as you would on a 4:3 TV. What's the problem? Is watching 16:9 letterboxed on a 4:3 TV as annoying?
Jay Gladwell wrote on 4/18/2009, 5:06 AM

Yes, it was impressive, but this effect is hardly new by any means. The first time I saw it was in the movie Matrix and have seen it several times since.

How was it done? Probably the same way it was done in every movie and TV commercial it's been in--with a series of pre-postioned still cameras.

The "commentaries" were, in my opinion, practically useless, especially the DP's and the director's.

I can't see everyone that's bought a 16x9 tossing it and running back out to buy this 21x9 (just when most thought 16x9 was going to be the new "standard"). For all the same reasons mentioned above, I wouldn't buy one. It's too extreme for my tastes, especially when watching programs in 4x3.


fldave wrote on 4/18/2009, 5:07 AM
<I can't get anything to play? Firefox or IE>

<You need to have Flash installed, probably even Flash 10 (which is better anyway)>

Hmmm. I have version 10 r22. Still won't play. weird.
Patryk Rebisz wrote on 4/18/2009, 5:44 AM
This kind of gimmickry leave me cold.

InterceptPoint wrote on 4/18/2009, 6:03 AM
I've done this sort of thing with my new SpaceTime Imaging Lens from Einstein Industries. Piece of cake. This lens allows you to zoom through spacetime as opposed to a normal zoom lens which, as we all know, is limited to zooming in space only.
blink3times wrote on 4/18/2009, 6:12 AM
"I don't quite understand why people get so annoyed watching 4:3 stuff on a 16:9 TV. "

That's an interesting question because admittedly is DOES annoy me... and not just the 4:3 either, but the 21:9 on a 16:9. I know that the thought pattern is rather illogical but none the less i can't help but feel ripped off in picture size when I see the black bars.

What does concern me however... and quite a legitimate concern is the burn-in that it causes... especially with plasma tv's (which is what I have). It doesn't take a lot to cause those burn-in lines on a plasma

What I do sincerely wish though is that SOMEBODY makes up their dammed mind on what the next standard should be.... and friggin STICK WITH IT for some kind of reasonable time period. I really don't think that's too much to ask for.
richard-courtney wrote on 4/18/2009, 6:31 AM
I am lost. ( I have not had my coffee yet as an excuse)

A wider screen than 16:9 bet is super expensive but how do you feed it?
Hollywood doesn't send me DCI disks or my satellite dish doesn't have
that output (2K 4K??).
Chienworks wrote on 4/18/2009, 6:38 AM
I would guess there's a switch somewhere that allows you to tell it you're watching 21:9 content and it crops vertically to fill the screen.