OT-Your Advice

Galeng wrote on 5/20/2005, 8:09 AM
I am a hobbyist videographer wanting to improve my skills. I shoot dog agility events and sign language students with a Canon GL2. My videos look "ok" when displayed on a TV, but I really want to keep working to improve what I do and maybe branch out a little more. Since finding this forum I have read alot about the importance of having an external monitor to look at clips for color correction.

I have the opportunity to buy a used:
JVC TM-A130SU 13" Color Monitor, Composite, Y/C, Metal Cabinet
for about $150.

Since I know nothing about these monitors I would really appreciate some feedback from forum members.

Thanks for your help.....as always this is a great place for information.

Galen

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 5/20/2005, 8:20 AM
As long as that monitor is in decent shape, it's not a bad little monitor at all, based on the specs. It's not considered a production or broadcast monitor, it's a utility monitor, so it's really just a higher grade television. It's only 320 lines as well, but for a 13", you should be happy with it. Be sure that it's calibratable, and be sure that it doesn't have anything burned in. (It can be calibrated, but the question is, does the tube have enough life in it to still be calibrated accurately?)

In addition to a monitor, consider lighting, and learning more about exposure to improve your video skills as well.
craftech wrote on 5/20/2005, 3:53 PM
I'd be careful about buying anything made by JVC used. They don't have the best reputation for durable and reliable products.

John
jeff_12_7 wrote on 5/20/2005, 4:10 PM
Spot said: "In addition to a monitor, consider lighting, and learning more about exposure to improve your video skills as well."

You said it! I need help with learning exposure. I am playing around with my exposure settings in an effort to learn about them, but am still trying to understand it. Do you have any suggestions (books?) to help me better understand exposure (I also have a GL2).

I hope I didn't hijack this thread, but the original poster wanted advice on getting better shots and so do I. Interested in learning more about exposure.

Thanks,
Jeff
Galeng wrote on 5/20/2005, 8:47 PM
Thanks for the tips.

Yes, lighting and exposure. Did my first shooting in low light situation trying to set aperature and letting camera set shutter speed. There is so much to learn than just picking up a camera and pushing the record button!!!!

All in time.............that's why I read this forum daily.

Galen
GlennChan wrote on 5/20/2005, 10:06 PM
Galeng:
If the monitor has lots of time powered on, I would be wary about buying. Monitors tend to develop problems when they are powered on for a long time. Two things that always happen is that they lose brightness (half brightness every two years 24/7 usage) and that will lead to some color shifting (only the really high end monitors with calibration probes can compensate for that; some monitors have a beam feedback circuit to maintain white balance drift). As well, monitors can develop other problems. Typically, libraries have lots of old CRTs and you can see what i'm talking about- dim image, crushed blacks (and color shifting in dark colors), out of focus, convergence errors being the most common. Burns (dark/miscolored splotches) may also be a problem depending on how the monitor was used.

If the monitor was only on for a short period of time, it may be alright.

Low resolution is not a big deal with Vegas... use the video preview window, turn simulate device aspect ratio off. That will give you really really good resolution image. Combine that with the broadcast monitor and you will get a pretty good idea of what your image looks like. Low res is ok anyways because many viewers see low res images. Low res is bad if you want to check focus.
Manufacturers tend to fudge the lines of resolution spec, so it may not be a good indicator of a monitor's actual resolution.

John_Cline wrote on 5/20/2005, 10:50 PM
"Low res is bad if you want to check focus."

It's also bad if you're doing a lot of chromakeying or compositing and need to see if it's clean.

John
GlennChan wrote on 5/21/2005, 12:14 AM
You could just use your Vegas video preview for that though? It's a little bit faster, and computer monitors are "free" and give 'perfect' resolution when you turn simulate device aspect ratio off.

My comment was directed more towards field use... where you don't get the benefit of Vegas.
Grazie wrote on 5/21/2005, 12:28 AM
Galeng, I too own XM2s - an amazing camera for the money.

If you haven't yet got there yet, try the DVinfo GL2/XM2 site - "Son of Watchdog" - pages. Simply MASSES of tips and advice for our camera. Exposure, focus, DoF using manual . .. just humungous!

.. here's the site:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=20

I echo what has been said regarding monitors and the like. I've got the JVC TM-H150C and truly am impressed with it.

Cheers,

Grazie
Galeng wrote on 5/21/2005, 8:20 AM
Again thanks for the tips.

Grazie: Thanks for that site. I think I whizzed through it at one point when I was thinking about buying the GL2. Have to revisit now for the tips.

The monitor, I am told, was only used twice for a school project and is now no longer needed. Hopefully, it will do the trick, or at least get me started in the right direction.

Galen
vicmilt wrote on 5/21/2005, 11:40 AM
An analog monitor is limited and sometimes not "truthful" about what you are "getting". No doubt a good field monitor is definitley better than none, but lately I've had some great luck using a laptop and DV Rack (www.seriousmagic.com).
a. It shows you the actual compressed DV file - what you see is definitley what you get.
b. It has all kinds of scopes that give you a "graphic" representation of not only your video strength, chromanance and luminence, but also your audio signal.
c. A laptop is lighter and way easier to deal with at a dog show.
and best of all...
you can try it out for a couple of weeks for free.
I'd like to hear how you do with it, if you do. Most of my stuff so far has been in a studio scenario.
v