Output to video projector.... Advice please!

douglas_clark wrote on 3/27/2006, 11:42 AM
I am preparing 2 short videos for the local music school's annual show, to be shown by video projector in a 300-seat auditorium in a couple days. I will check out the projector tomorrow, but I already know it is Acer PD116, 800x600, 2000 lumens. I wonder if that is enough unless the auditorium is pitch black (not possible) and the screen is high quality. I'm not sure what the projection screen size is yet, but assume it's at least 2 m wide, but will be hung at the side of the stage. The organiser has said that if the projector is not good enough, I can rent a better one. So I ask:

- How many lumens are needed? Is there a rule of thumb for this based on screen type and size, etc.?

- Is there an advantage to a higher resolution projector (ie 1024x768, given the video is PAL DV (some of the material is from VHS tapes) (but I could render to match the projector, if that is recommended)

- What is the most reliable way to show the video? I could use my ThinkPad laptop, or a DVD player. If by laptop, which player program to use to play the video....to ensure that only the video is seen full screen, and no "Windows" screens or messages appear before, during or after the video?

If there is an A-V website with all the answers...I'd be happy to hear about it.

Douglas

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bdub wrote on 3/27/2006, 12:30 PM
I would definitely play it from a dvd player as opposed to a laptop. I got a portable dvd player just for that reason. Laptop to projector communication is too sketchy to put my faith in. I'll leave the laptop to handle PowerPoint. We could probably start an entire thread just about the crazy things laptops have done to our videos while hundreds of people are watching and not-so-silently chuckling.
lgh529 wrote on 3/27/2006, 2:18 PM
The number of lumens is dependant upon how big the screen is. When we design presentation systems, we use the following formula:

(Lumens * screen gain)/area = foot lamberts

Lumes = projector rating
Screen Gain = 1 for worst case but no more than 1.5 unless you know what it is.
Area is in feet squared (sorry if you are in metric land, conversion is 1 meter squared = 10.76 feet squared)

minimum foot lamberts should be 12. That is a pitch black room. I would shoot for at least 18-20 footlamberts.

Example: 2000 lumen projector, 6.5 (approx 2 meters) foot wide screen using 4:3 aspect ratio (most common in school auditoriums). Screen area is 75 feet squared so you would get about 63 footlamberts. Thats pretty bright, but if the screen size gets to 3.5 meters wide, you drop to 20 footlamberts. So if the screen is bigger than 3.5 meters wide, you will probably run into trouble unless the screen is good and has some gain to it.

--Is there an advantage to a higher resolution projector (ie 1024x768. Not with video, 800x600 shows video just fine.

--What is the most reliable way to show the video? Like was previously said, definately use a DVD player, not a laptop. Use the S-Video out of the DVD player into the projector. The project probably doesn't have component inputs.

Good luck
farss wrote on 3/27/2006, 2:25 PM
I play out of my DSR-11 in the cinemas however if you've got multiple videos to cue a DVD with a hidden menu is the way to go.
I've done one of these and the AV guys appreciated the simplicty.
Just a black menu with black text, black highlights etc. Then you use the number pad on the players remote to select the video to playout, drop dead simple.
Give the AV guy a cue sheet with BIG BOLD text, they usually work in near darkness.
Bob.
Jim H wrote on 3/27/2006, 6:00 PM
I've always used my laptop & windows media player without problems. You do have to deal with the WMP interface in real time though so big deal if a few people see a window for two seconds... we all have computers.

I did one show where I placed several short videos into a power point presentations with an intro still to start off the show and left it there throughout the lunch. When it came time to start the show I just hit the arrow key to begin the first video. I set it up so that a still image (photo of the guest of honor) would come back up after the video. Then I would say a few words, and play the next video. It worked very well.

I did notice in another attempt at this Powerpoint trick that the video quality looked worse under powerpoint than it did striaght from WMP so I'm not sure I'd do a Power point again unless I really didn't care about the video quality...which doesn't happen often.
rs170a wrote on 3/27/2006, 6:10 PM
I did something similar to Bob's hidden menu for a showing last fall except mine had the operator only having to hit the NEXT button for 5 interview segments.
I'll repeat the solution here for anyone interested (huge thanks to Edward Troxel aka jetdv for showing me how to do this). A second or two of black could be substituted for the logo.

Mike


Q:
I'm trying to put together a DVD for an upcoming banquet.
The DVD consist of 5 separate interviews in addition to a 5 sec. animated logo.
What I want is for the animation to loop until I hit the remote's Next button. Then it will play interview #1. At the end of this, it should return to the animation and continue looping until Next is slected again. It then goes to #2 and so on.

A:

Create a menu that is the looping logo. Have 5 menu options there. Make sure the FIRST one is the first interview.

Set the "End Action" of the interview back to the menu but set the SECOND interview as the button to be highlighted.

Set the "End Action" of the SECOND interview back to the menu but set the THIRD interview as button to be highlighted.

Repeat with the remaining interviews.

Now it should behave as you are wanting EXCEPT you'll hit ENTER each time instead of NEXT.
douglas_clark wrote on 3/27/2006, 10:02 PM
Wow, thanks. Great advice. I'll try the black menu DVD. But I think I'll add some subtle marks in the corners, or maybe a dark gray border on the black menu, just enough so the AV crew can see that the projector is ready. Then the 2 videos set as return-to-menu chapters 1 and 2. On my DVD remote I then just press "1" or "2" to que the videos, which come at different times in the show.

I think I'll also add "focus" and "color bar" slides as a separate chapters...for setup. (Anybody have a good PAL focus chart as a .png?)

And I could easily add a title slide (video loop) for the show, and credits...all queued up as numbered chapters...if they want it. Maybe they could get some more sponsor money for showing a loop of sponsor names and logos while people are being seated before curtain time. Hmmm...thanks for the help...the ideas are flowing now.

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douglas_clark wrote on 3/27/2006, 10:17 PM
Another question...should I render all the video as progressive mpg for the DVD?

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ScottW wrote on 3/28/2006, 4:19 AM
IIRC, progressive is only going to be useful to you if you have a DVD player and a projector that can handle component video. If you are using s-video or composite, the player is going to convert the progressive footage to interlaced anyway, so there's no advantage to rendering progressive.

--Scott
douglas_clark wrote on 3/28/2006, 4:47 AM
The DVD player has component out as well as s-video & composite, but the projector only has s-video & composite input (Acer PD116). The DVD player manual (Amoisonic DVD8500B) is in chinese (I bought it in Beijing ;-) but it probably doesn't say anything about composite/interlaced anyway. I don't have much time to experiment...so I'll leave it interlaced. (unless somebody thinks otherwise).

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craftech wrote on 3/28/2006, 5:02 AM
It's going to look pretty dull and dingy. That's the problem with school auditoriums and the projectors necessary to do justice to video shown on them. Schools can't afford a 7700-lumen projector and neither can most videographers.

Rent one.

John
Yoyodyne wrote on 3/28/2006, 8:20 AM
My 02. - that is a pretty low power projector for that size of a crowd. My guess is they will try and project that image on a 9 by 12 screen. If you could get the room pitch black it might be o.k. but if there is some budget for renting a 5k or higher projector it shure would make a difference. With standard def the 800 by 600 resolution should work fine.

Just my quick 02. - good luck!
richard-courtney wrote on 3/28/2006, 10:33 AM
I know you may be stuck with what they have. Can you get
two projectors or rent one?

We have in the past doubled up on the projectors to get better
brightness. Create a test DVD with an outlined rectangle, colorbars,
and a field of dots. This will help you allign the two projectors stacked
upon the other if you must go that route.