Brian - I do similar work and I have to agree with you. I wish you
could undo records and have it at least ask if you want to delete the
file if that's indeed the last undo event. File management is stil
pretty sloppy in Vegas. Deleting a take in the right-click menu
options of an event should also give you the option of PERMANENTLY
deleting an event. Doing voice-over recording, you can end up with
easily 50 takes and it's a drag to sort through and keep useless
stuff.
The numbering thing, I'm afraid, is Vegas conforming to windows
explorer standards. I think you'll find Windows does the same thing.
I would also love to have markers go above 9, as well as regions.
This has always been a MAJOR gripe for me in Vegas, ACID and Sound
Forge. It's so nice to record one file and just drop markers but it's
useless when they stop at 9. How hard can this be?
Fine, if I'm recording bands then I don't need all that, but Vegas is
more than a multi-tracker for bands. It's a full-media production
tool right?

Oh yeah, a compacting feature PLEASE......

ok, I've vented too.

Brian Franz wrote:
>> This is kinda irritating to me because I use vegas for
>>doing radio commercial production where you have to keep
>>track of your take numbers.
>>
>> In the media Pool when Vegas lists the takes, it
>>doesn't do it sequentially. That's because you guys at SF
>>didn't take the time to number them correctly. Here's what
>>happens...let's say I have 12 Takes of a commercial here's
>>how the media Pool would number them.
>>Take 1
>>Take 10
>>Take 11
>>Take 12
>>Take 2
>>Take 3
>>Take etc...do you see the problem?
>>The solution is to number the first 9 takes like this
>>Take 01
>>Take 02
>>Take 03 etc.
>>or better yet
>>Take 001
>>Take 002
>>Take 003
>>...this way I have to do a thousand takes before I run into
>>a problem.
>>
>>This may seem like a minor flaw, but believe me it becomes
>>a pain in the neck when you have 50 takes and you have to
>>scroll up and down searching to play the one a client asks
>>you for.
>>
>>One more thing, since I'm talking about sequential numbering of
>>takes, I like to work in the "don't confirm after record" mode, but
>>occassionally I'll start to record and the voice over talent isn't
>>ready, so I'll have to start over and I just do an "undo Record" in
>>the Edit Menu....you would think that this would mean it would
retake
>>that take number, but no...it deleted the event,deleted it in the
>>media pool but,it created a wave file in windows explorer and
>>therefore sequentially it moves onto the next take number. This
>>causes the producer that's working with me that's keeping track of
>>take numbers to get confused because somewhere we just lost a
take.
>>To fix this I have to actually go to the explorer window and delete
>>the mistake, again making my productivity slower. Is anyone else
>>having these problems or am I the only one trying to use this
>>software on a professional level?

Brian,
FOr serious profesional audio work check out the SAW line of products
at iqsoft.com. They have real tech-support and an amazing
newsgroup/forum. The interface does not follow the windows
conventions like SF does but is much faster and very stable. No copy
protection BS and the programs fit on a floppy disk. Well worth your
time if your serious. Download the demos.

ak

Brian Franz wrote:
>> This is kinda irritating to me because I use vegas for
>>doing radio commercial production where you have to keep
>>track of your take numbers.
>>
>> In the media Pool when Vegas lists the takes, it
>>doesn't do it sequentially. That's because you guys at SF
>>didn't take the time to number them correctly. Here's what
>>happens...let's say I have 12 Takes of a commercial here's
>>how the media Pool would number them.
>>Take 1
>>Take 10
>>Take 11
>>Take 12
>>Take 2
>>Take 3
>>Take etc...do you see the problem?
>>The solution is to number the first 9 takes like this
>>Take 01
>>Take 02
>>Take 03 etc.
>>or better yet
>>Take 001
>>Take 002
>>Take 003
>>...this way I have to do a thousand takes before I run into
>>a problem.
>>
>>This may seem like a minor flaw, but believe me it becomes
>>a pain in the neck when you have 50 takes and you have to
>>scroll up and down searching to play the one a client asks
>>you for.
>>
>>One more thing, since I'm talking about sequential numbering of
>>takes, I like to work in the "don't confirm after record" mode, but
>>occassionally I'll start to record and the voice over talent isn't
>>ready, so I'll have to start over and I just do an "undo Record" in
>>the Edit Menu....you would think that this would mean it would
retake
>>that take number, but no...it deleted the event,deleted it in the
>>media pool but,it created a wave file in windows explorer and
>>therefore sequentially it moves onto the next take number. This
>>causes the producer that's working with me that's keeping track of
>>take numbers to get confused because somewhere we just lost a
take.
>>To fix this I have to actually go to the explorer window and delete
>>the mistake, again making my productivity slower. Is anyone else
>>having these problems or am I the only one trying to use this
>>software on a professional level?

I've actually never run into this problem, You can rename the markers
by right clicking on them if that's what you mean. I've only used
markers for marking the Hour Points on the timeline, so that I can
keep track of how long my spots are and be able to quickly jump to the
front of them (ie marker 1= 1:00:00, Marker 2= 1:01:00..etc.) other
than that I haven't had a use for the markers except when doing music
to mark where the verses and choruses are.

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Along that same line ... make it possible to disable "auto
numbering"
>>of Markers and allow them to be viewed in the Edit List in timeline
>>sequence instead of "1 to 0" numerical order.
>>
>>Simply let me label each Marker as I see fit and display them in the
>>Edit List in timeline sequence from start to finish.
>>
>>If there is a way to do the above, I've completely missed it.
>>
>>KAC ...
>>
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>> This is kinda irritating to me because I use vegas for
>>>>doing radio commercial production where you have to keep
>>>>track of your take numbers.
>>

Brian Franz wrote:

>>I've actually never run into this problem, You can rename the
>>markers by right clicking on them if that's what you mean. I've
>>only used markers for marking the Hour Points on the timeline, so
>>that I can keep track of how long my spots are and be able to
>>quickly jump to the front of them (ie marker 1= 1:00:00, Marker 2=
>>1:01:00..etc.) other than that I haven't had a use for the markers
>>except when doing music to mark where the verses and choruses are.
>>

Well, that is *why* we use Markers, Brian ... to mark things like
verses and choruses and points on a timeline. :)

... and of course you can rename them ... but that does not solve
what I consider to be a problem in the current methodology.

In your example above, if you decided next to place a marker between
Marker 1 and Marker 2 at 1:00:30, it would be automatically generated
as Marker 3 under the present system.

In addition, these 3 Markers will be displayed in the Edit List in
numerical order, despite their location on your timeline as follows:

Marker 1= 1:00:00
Marker 2= 1:01:00
Marker 3= 1:00:30

and so on ... this makes no sense in an EDL to my way of thinking.

I would like to:

1. Be able to disable the automatic numbering of Markers.

2. Have Markers displayed in sequential order along the timeline in
the Edit List, not numerical order based on the autonumbering
function.

IOW, give me a CHOICE, don't just lock me into your way of
thinking. :)

KAC ...

It seems like both this and the take numbering system could be fixed
by being able to sort by time / time modified, like you can in
Windows Explorer.

Oh well, maybe in Version 3.0

-vc

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>
>>>>I've actually never run into this problem, You can rename the
>>>>markers by right clicking on them if that's what you mean. I've
>>>>only used markers for marking the Hour Points on the timeline, so
>>>>that I can keep track of how long my spots are and be able to
>>>>quickly jump to the front of them (ie marker 1= 1:00:00, Marker
2=
>>>>1:01:00..etc.) other than that I haven't had a use for the
markers
>>>>except when doing music to mark where the verses and choruses are.
>>>>
>>
>>Well, that is *why* we use Markers, Brian ... to mark things like
>>verses and choruses and points on a timeline. :)
>>
>>... and of course you can rename them ... but that does not solve
>>what I consider to be a problem in the current methodology.
>>
>>In your example above, if you decided next to place a marker
between
>>Marker 1 and Marker 2 at 1:00:30, it would be automatically
generated
>>as Marker 3 under the present system.
>>
>>In addition, these 3 Markers will be displayed in the Edit List in
>>numerical order, despite their location on your timeline as follows:
>>
>>Marker 1= 1:00:00
>>Marker 2= 1:01:00
>>Marker 3= 1:00:30
>>
>>and so on ... this makes no sense in an EDL to my way of thinking.
>>
>>I would like to:
>>
>>1. Be able to disable the automatic numbering of Markers.
>>
>>2. Have Markers displayed in sequential order along the timeline in
>>the Edit List, not numerical order based on the autonumbering
>>function.
>>
>>IOW, give me a CHOICE, don't just lock me into your way of
>>thinking. :)
>>
>>KAC ...
>>
>>

Out of curiosity -
Karl, how do you have the Edit List set? What are you having it show?
Markers? Events? If it's set to markers, it shows them according to
the time-line. You have to click on the Position column to have it
sort by position...

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>
>>>>I've actually never run into this problem, You can rename the
>>>>markers by right clicking on them if that's what you mean. I've
>>>>only used markers for marking the Hour Points on the timeline, so
>>>>that I can keep track of how long my spots are and be able to
>>>>quickly jump to the front of them (ie marker 1= 1:00:00, Marker
2=
>>>>1:01:00..etc.) other than that I haven't had a use for the
markers
>>>>except when doing music to mark where the verses and choruses are.
>>>>
>>
>>Well, that is *why* we use Markers, Brian ... to mark things like
>>verses and choruses and points on a timeline. :)
>>
>>... and of course you can rename them ... but that does not solve
>>what I consider to be a problem in the current methodology.
>>
>>In your example above, if you decided next to place a marker
between
>>Marker 1 and Marker 2 at 1:00:30, it would be automatically
generated
>>as Marker 3 under the present system.
>>
>>In addition, these 3 Markers will be displayed in the Edit List in
>>numerical order, despite their location on your timeline as follows:
>>
>>Marker 1= 1:00:00
>>Marker 2= 1:01:00
>>Marker 3= 1:00:30
>>
>>and so on ... this makes no sense in an EDL to my way of thinking.
>>
>>I would like to:
>>
>>1. Be able to disable the automatic numbering of Markers.
>>
>>2. Have Markers displayed in sequential order along the timeline in
>>the Edit List, not numerical order based on the autonumbering
>>function.
>>
>>IOW, give me a CHOICE, don't just lock me into your way of
>>thinking. :)
>>
>>KAC ...
>>
>>

Out of curiosity -
Karl, how do you have the Edit List set? What are you having it show?
Markers? Events? If it's set to markers, it shows them according to
the time-line. You have to click on the Position column to have it
sort by position... p.s. - this goes for all columns in all views -
sort by... you'll see an arrow down which will show you which column
it's sorting by.

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>
>>>>I've actually never run into this problem, You can rename the
>>>>markers by right clicking on them if that's what you mean. I've
>>>>only used markers for marking the Hour Points on the timeline, so
>>>>that I can keep track of how long my spots are and be able to
>>>>quickly jump to the front of them (ie marker 1= 1:00:00, Marker
2=
>>>>1:01:00..etc.) other than that I haven't had a use for the
markers
>>>>except when doing music to mark where the verses and choruses are.
>>>>
>>
>>Well, that is *why* we use Markers, Brian ... to mark things like
>>verses and choruses and points on a timeline. :)
>>
>>... and of course you can rename them ... but that does not solve
>>what I consider to be a problem in the current methodology.
>>
>>In your example above, if you decided next to place a marker
between
>>Marker 1 and Marker 2 at 1:00:30, it would be automatically
generated
>>as Marker 3 under the present system.
>>
>>In addition, these 3 Markers will be displayed in the Edit List in
>>numerical order, despite their location on your timeline as follows:
>>
>>Marker 1= 1:00:00
>>Marker 2= 1:01:00
>>Marker 3= 1:00:30
>>
>>and so on ... this makes no sense in an EDL to my way of thinking.
>>
>>I would like to:
>>
>>1. Be able to disable the automatic numbering of Markers.
>>
>>2. Have Markers displayed in sequential order along the timeline in
>>the Edit List, not numerical order based on the autonumbering
>>function.
>>
>>IOW, give me a CHOICE, don't just lock me into your way of
>>thinking. :)
>>
>>KAC ...
>>
>>

Charles de Montebello wrote:

>>If it's set to markers, it shows them according to
>>the time-line. You have to click on the Position column to have it
>>sort by position...

That's right, Charles, but when you do that the timeline "position"
still does not correspond to the autogenerated numbers ... at least
it has not done that with either version for me.

KAC ...

Ahhh...I see your point now Karl and I see why I've never run into
this....that's because I always name the marker with it's repective
time where it is in the time line and thus if I look at it in the Edit
Details window they're put in timeline order because I'm clicked on
the "Name" column. I suppose to get around this you could do the same
kind of thing if you had a verse that started at like 1 minute you
could name it "1:00 Verse" because Vegas puts markers in numerical
order by name and then alphabatizes them when you're sorting by name.
Hope this helps

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>
>>>>If it's set to markers, it shows them according to
>>>>the time-line. You have to click on the Position column to have it
>>>>sort by position...
>>
>>That's right, Charles, but when you do that the timeline "position"
>>still does not correspond to the autogenerated numbers ... at least
>>it has not done that with either version for me.
>>
>>KAC ...

I don't mean to be dense, but I still don't get it. If I hit Play and
drop some markers and then go back and drop a marker inbetween two of
the already dropped markers, that marker inserts itself between the
two as it should, both in the time line and in the edit list
position. The only thing is that it still names the marker "3" when
it's between 1 and 2. Is that what you mean? Sorry if I'm missing
something obvious here.

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>
>>>>If it's set to markers, it shows them according to
>>>>the time-line. You have to click on the Position column to have
it
>>>>sort by position...
>>
>>That's right, Charles, but when you do that the timeline "position"
>>still does not correspond to the autogenerated numbers ... at least
>>it has not done that with either version for me.
>>
>>KAC ...

That is only part of it ... I've tried, but it is obvious that I am
not that good at getting my point across where this is concerned.

In the interest of not confusing the issue more, suffice it to say
that I would love to have the option to disable the "auto numbering"
of the Markers. :)

KAC ...

BTW, we've discussed the new VV style "grouping" issues similarly in
the past. I've now have had the opportunity to really put VV through
the wringer on some high profile projects the past three or four
weeks and still find the old grouping model more intuitive for my way
of working.

So while we are dreaming, I would like to be able to somehow "user
enable" the old style grouping paradigm also.

That said, I really like the ability to ALT a Split Event and Slide a
note back and forth in time. That feature has saved some otherwise
unusable beginnings and endings on a number of tunes and seems to be
an important "wow" factor ... even some of the old timers who record
here from time to time are impressed when they actually see that for
the first time.


Charles de Montebello wrote:

>>position. The only thing is that it still names the marker "3" when
>>it's between 1 and 2. Is that what you mean? Sorry if I'm missing
>>something obvious here.

>>Karl Caillouet wrote:

>>>>That's right, Charles, but when you do that the
>>>>timeline "position" still does not correspond to the
>>>>autogenerated numbers