OVERSIZE PROJECTS

JohnJ wrote on 5/4/2015, 9:54 AM
Hello,
I have produced a project in HD 1080-50i 1920X1080 25.000 fps which is larger than the capacity of the Bluray disc at 111%. I am prepared to accept a reduction in quality so I have activated the Optimise and Fit to Disk buttons in DVD Archpro 6 but it still will not burn to disc.
Probably I am doing something wrong so would someone advise me please?
Thanks,
JohnJ

Comments

videoITguy wrote on 5/4/2015, 11:39 AM
Do a search of this forum for term size before you conclude what you think you understand.
PeterDuke wrote on 5/5/2015, 6:49 PM
Don't use DVDA to re-encode video. It is much better to do it in Vegas. Use either AVCHD or Blu-ray templates and choose a bit rate that will let your video fit.

What is the duration of your video?

What bitrate is the source?
dxdy wrote on 5/9/2015, 6:49 AM
There are some good bitrate calculators online. Use one to determine bitrate, and then render in Vegas.

For example,

http://dvd-hq.info/bitrate_calculator.php
UKharrie wrote on 6/1/2015, 10:42 AM
Peter Duke:
...sorry to try you again...
Above is, useful info.
...but I'm slightly confused by what I'm reading:-
(another poster says) AVCHD is past its Sell-By and should be ignored - by which I'm presuming the suggestion of having BlueRay quality on a (short ~25min) cheap DVD is something to be ignored? Certainly Sony believes so.... I understood earlier DVDAS had this Option but now you have to fiddle....frankly I've forgotten "how" but I've made a few and the quality was amazing ( via a BD Player)....one might suppose that the higher cost of BD discs is "Licence Fee" and this "could" influence,,,,
Nowadays unless I'm handing over material, I will use (dot)m2ts files copied to Memory stick . . . . again, the Quality is stunning being 1920 x 1080/25 ( PAL )..

DVDAS:
You said something like "...don't re-encode movies in DVDAS, rather use Vegas.."
Am I to presume this saves quality/time/effort?
-If I can discover how to encode at a lower quality to fit DVDAS without encoding, then SMS might make a better job of it, since it has all the Original Data. By doing this in 2-steps I guess the data may be encoded slightly less-well depending on which choices the software(s) make.
SMS v12 Platinum
I'm expecting I'll have to "Customise Template / Video . . . . but this shows only 8M, 10M and 16Mbit Options .. .. you mentioned 4M (lower quality) which I don't see . . . is it somewhere else, I wonder? -or- is this Vegas Pro only?
I do have a DVD project that needs the Main content in Best, but there are sections and the Text-Credits which could be lower - could these be combines as a single title, or will I have to put them in the Order to be played using different Media Titles? By this his I mean a single Movie will be represented by ( say) four parts: Best, Low, Best, Low
( - a bit messy and some folks might get out of sequence, etc.)

-Or is DVDAS not able to work this trick?
+ I wonder if DVD-players can cope, as well.
PeterDuke wrote on 6/1/2015, 8:04 PM
AVCHD (disc) is past its Sell-By and should be ignored
AVCHD disc was never fully accepted and standardised. Many Blu-ray players would not play them. An AVCHD disc authored with DVD Arch would not play on my BD player unless hacked with a little tool that someone wrote, although AVCHD discs authored with some other software did play OK. The quality should always be "stunning" regardless of the medium (BD, AVCHD disc, memory stick) if the video is AVCHD or BD quality.

don't re-encode movies in DVDAS, rather use Vegas
Vegas has more options for encoding than DVD Arch. and may be faster. (Earlier versions of DVDA Arch, at least, were only single thread). If you encode to an AVCHD or BD template in Vegas, DVD Arch will not re-encode, so it will be quick to author and you will not lose quality.

If I can discover how to encode at a lower quality to fit DVDAS without encoding...
Use a bitrate calculator or simple arithmetic to find out what max. bitrate you can use so that your video will fit on a specific disc. Bitrate divided by 8 gives byte rate. Byte rate times video duration gives video size in bytes. Allow another 10% or so for the audio and menus.

I'm expecting I'll have to "Customise Template / Video . . . . but this shows only 8M, 10M and 16Mbit Options
I use Vegas Pro, but I presume SMS Platinum is similar. You can set the bit rate to any value you like within overall limits. You can choose fixed rate or variable rate, one or two pass.

I do have a DVD project that needs the Main content in Best, but ...
Sorry, you have lost me. Try rephrasing in more detail.