PAL footage looks bizzare on external monitor?!

GmElliott wrote on 11/14/2004, 8:21 PM
I viewed some PAL footage out to my external monitor and the image looks bizzare. The best way I can describe it is the way a CRT looks when it's refresh rate is set really low. The image looked very stroby, especially in the whites, and bright areas. It was almost painfull on the eyes to look at.

I'm choosing the default PAL Template for a project. And outputting the signal to a Canopus ADVC100...and out to a Sony Multiformat Production Monitor (PVM-14L 5/1).

My NTSC footage looks fine- any idea what would cause my PAL footage to look like this?

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Spot|DSE wrote on 11/14/2004, 9:00 PM
Sounds like something isn't syncing right somewhere. Canopus DIPS have been set to PAL? Production monitor is seeing the PAL signal as PAL?
GmElliott wrote on 11/14/2004, 9:44 PM
Yep the dip on the Canopus was the first thing I set even before connecting it. My monitor auto switches when it's fed NTSC and PAL signals. I even checked the status menu on my monitor while running the PAL footage....indeed it said "PAL 50i" I'm wondering if it's 1.Vegas 2. The ADVC100 or 3.My monitor

1. Is very unlikely- I'm using the default PAL template..I didn't change any perameters. Lower fields first is set by default- that's correct right?

2. It very well might be the ADVC100- despite the fact my NTSC signal looks fine- I see animated bars of interference when checking the calibration in "Blue Only" mode. Looks like some sort of interference eitehr affecting the ADVC100 or the s-video cable. Oddly enough I don't see the scrolling iterference bars when I'm using my cheap TRV-33 to transmit the signal to the monitor.

3. This would be the biggest nightmare for me. It would cost so much freight to send back to B&H. And how do I ever find out if it's the monitor. As I said the NTSC signals look perfect.

Have you ever heard of such a thing? Personally I've never seen anything like it...well, short of the analogy I used about CRT monitors with extremely low refresh rates. It looks absolutly identical to a low refresh rate flicker.
farss wrote on 11/14/2004, 9:49 PM
Try turning the lights off. If you're in the USA then the 120Hz flicker of the lights my be causing strobing with the 50Hx refresh of the monitor.
I've got the ADVC-300 and if you feed it NTSC when it's in PAL it just plain doesn't work so I doubt it's anything wrong there.
Do you have PAL footage in a PAL project? If it's NTSC footage in a PAL project then Vegas is doing an on the fly conversion which will not playout very well until it's rendered.
Bob.
GmElliott wrote on 11/14/2004, 9:56 PM
Try turning the lights off. If you're in the USA then the 120Hz flicker of the lights my be causing strobing with the 50Hx refresh of the monitor.
I've got the ADVC-300 and if you feed it NTSC when it's in PAL it just plain doesn't work so I doubt it's anything wrong there.
Do you have PAL footage in a PAL project? If it's NTSC footage in a PAL project then Vegas is doing an on the fly conversion which will not playout very well until it's rendered.
Bob.

No it's all set right- PAL project, PAL footage. Dip switch on the ADVC100 set to PAL.

What do you mean turn off the lights? How would that physically effect my monitor? Also is the refresh on PAL footage different than NTSC if so which has a higher refresh?
Grazie wrote on 11/14/2004, 11:34 PM
I think, Bob is referring to the freq of your actual electrical supply to the lighting in the room you are viewing the PAL footage - I've never heard of this, but nonetheless a rather intriguing possibility. Here in the UK AC supply gets delivered to my house at 50hz and in the US it is 120hz. This gives a mismatch, which in turn somehow makes for a "phasing" effect .. I think I got that right. Try watching the PAL with the lights off OR during daylight . . see if you get strobing? . . If I've got Bob correct I've never heard of this BUT will store this away as a genuine issue . .interesting though - thanks Bob!

Grazie
jaegersing wrote on 11/15/2004, 1:35 AM
Hi Grazie. The US mains supply is 60 Hz. The lights flicker at 120 Hz because they go bright for every positive and negative peak in the waveform. Since you get one of each peak every cycle, that's effectively double the supply frequency.

I live in Singapore, and do a lot of work with NTSC and PAL video. The only display problem we see due to supply/video frequency difference is when there is a camera involved. For example if we are using an NTSC camera indoors with (50 Hz) fluorescent lighting, there is often a pulsating effect on the NTSC video monitor that is not very pleasant. Haven't tried it the other way round though (PAL video in a 60 Hz environment) so don't know how that would look.

Richard Hunter
farss wrote on 11/15/2004, 2:51 AM
The effect is not as bad on CRTs as it is on cameras due to the persistence of the phosphors in the CRT tube but it still can be an issue. I've spec'ed lighting for computer rooms and always went for HF ballasts in the fluros or else had alternate banks on alternate phase so the dips cancel each other out. Even if you cannot see it the slight flicker can add to eye strain, one of the reasons I believe why computer monitors are run at over 70Hz refresh although beats with artifical light may not be the only issue.
To answer the original question, in PAL the refresh rate is 50Hz and NTSC it's 60Hz for TVs.
Bob.