Pan/Crop window affects playback, swaps media

cold ones wrote on 5/4/2012, 11:43 AM
Could someone try this?

Create a simple timeline with three different movie clips. Click on clip #2, and open the pan/crop window for it.

Now, with the pan/crop window open, click on the timeline near (to give it focus) and press the spacebar to begin playing the clips. As the playhead passes over the edit points between the clips, this is what I see: occasionally the image in the pan/crop window will disappear, then quickly reappear. During this disappearance, the playhead hesitates, then resumes movement when the pan/crop window image reappears. But now, pressing the spacebar won't control the playback---it's as if focus has been given to the pan/crop window.

Worse, when I replay the sequence a time or two, an entirely different image will appear in pan/crop window, from a different clip.

Is it just me or what?

Vegas 11 (any build)

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Tom Pauncz wrote on 5/4/2012, 12:07 PM
Cannot replicate here - either with stills or movie clips.

In my test, the Pan/Crop windows keeps the image of the clip (#2) on which it was opened, even while preview window shows clip #3. No flickering whatever.

Latest VP11 build - 683.

Tom
cold ones wrote on 5/4/2012, 12:33 PM
Tom, thanks for checking.

It's weird, I see it on both my setups here. Both are Windows 7, one with Build 683 & the other with 595. On my secondary setup I don't always get the swapped-out image, but I get the loss of focus and disappearance/reappearance of the image in the pan/crop window.

Not sure why this is happening, but it's happening to me. Perhaps a display issue? Both rigs have NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 & 580 (NVIDIA 296.10 WHQL), one with 3 monitors and the other has 4 monitors. But the mystery of why I lose focus to the pan/crop window remains...
Tom Pauncz wrote on 5/4/2012, 12:38 PM
I am also using an nVidia card - GeForce 9800GT with the 296.10 driver. Win 7-64bit-SP1. Single monitor.
Tom
cold ones wrote on 5/4/2012, 12:57 PM
Hmmm...

It seems to follow some logic. If clip#3 is in the pan/crop window, the disappearance/reappearance occurs when the playhead crosses the edit between clip#2 & #3, and the image in the pan/crop window changes to clip#2. Oddly, it doesn't happen the first time I play the sequence, but will on subsequent plays.

Hate to lay it on displays---but something is forcing an update of the video in that window. I'll try to repro on a third setup, a laptop, but unfortunately it croaked this morning...
Tom Pauncz wrote on 5/4/2012, 1:24 PM
Still cannot repro...

Is the 'Sync Cursor' button on P/C window pressed?? makes no difference here whether it's set or not.

Tom
cold ones wrote on 5/4/2012, 3:35 PM
Yeah, either on or off doesn't seem to affect the behavior.

As I fiddle around with this, I notice another odd thing. If I click on, say, Clip#3's Pan/Crop icon, it rightly opens into the Pan/Crop window. At the top of this window is the clip name. However, if I then click on Clip#2's Pan/Crop icon, its video appears in the window, but the clip name at the top of the window remains Clip#3.

No matter what clip I click on, the original clip name remains at the top of the window. Not sure if it's significant or a new error, but I haven't noticed it before. Do you see this?
WillemT wrote on 5/4/2012, 3:45 PM
I cannot reproduce the initial problem. All works smoothly and as expected.

I can however confirm the name change, or at least - no name change, problem.

Edit: Single monitor on this system - I will try it later on the main system with dual monitors.

Willem.
cold ones wrote on 5/4/2012, 3:55 PM
Thanks, Willem. Sorry to keep piling up symptoms, but another behavior I see is how Undo affects the pan/crop window.

I open the pan/crop window by clicking on Clip#1's pan/crop icon. Next, I click on Clip#2's pan/crop icon. Then I make some insignificant change to the timeline, like add a marker. Then Undo. The marker goes away, but the image in the pan/crop window reverts to Clip#1.

Curiouser and curiouser. (Just so I don't sound nuts, I had our IT guy witness these issues on both systems. Misery loves company.)
WillemT wrote on 5/4/2012, 4:03 PM
Can confirm the Undo problem. The event displayed in Pan/Crop always reverts back to Event#1.

Edit: I experimented a bit.

Switching between the events clicking the event FX button does not behave the same. The clip name also changes as would be expected.

When clicking the Pan/Crop for an event, currently displaying the FX window, initially selects the correct clip name. Selecting a different event, using Pan/Crop event button, does not update the clip name and that is the clip an Undo will return to. Hence, doing the Undo always returns to the event with it's name displayed in the Pan/Crop window. I would call that a bug.

Willem.
cold ones wrote on 5/4/2012, 4:13 PM
Thanks, Willem! That's the same behavior I get during timeline playback, when the playhead passes over an edit. I'll add this symptom to the ticket I have with SCS. It also happens when you Redo, too.

I have no idea if a multi-monitor setup makes this problem worse, but if you get a chance to check I'd be much obliged!
WillemT wrote on 5/4/2012, 4:20 PM
See my above edit.

Willem.
cold ones wrote on 5/4/2012, 4:43 PM
Willem, good catch, I see the clip name changing with the Effect but not the Pan/Crop.

Also this: I've noticed that if I click on the Play icon at the bottom of the Vegas timeline window, the playhead & playback works perfectly. UNTIL I click on the Pause icon, then an open Pan/Crop window flashes again. Weirdly, this is the same as I've been seeing using the spacebar: I can play the timeline once through, no problem. But when I press the spacebar while a clip is playing it essentially pauses and then recues and plays again. It's the pause that seems to cause the flutter in the Pan/Crop window. Clicking the Play icon at the bottom of the timeline window immediately recues the movie and continues playing---it doesn't pause, and therefore no flutter.

Edit:
Also, using the icons at the bottom of the window, I don't experience the loss of focus that I get when using the keyboard.
farss wrote on 5/4/2012, 4:47 PM
There's another thread current that's devolved into what seems like a related problem here.

I've tried to repo the problem with V11 with no luck but that doesn't mean much.

Bob.
cold ones wrote on 5/4/2012, 4:55 PM
Interesting. And if I understand correctly, the difference with this problem is that, even though the clip name can be wrong in the Pan/Crop window, any changes you make will be properly applied to the clip whose image appears in the window. So at least the pan/crop changes go to the correct clip.

I've used pan/crop a lot in v11, and to my knowledge it always was applied to the clip I thought I was working on (never really looked at the clip name in the window before). What's been most aggravating to me is that the open pan/crop window messes bigtime with timeline playback. That's just not fair.
WillemT wrote on 5/4/2012, 5:18 PM
@bob
Interesting, there may very well be a tie-up here. I will play around a bit.


@cold ones.
I did indeed use the play controls at the bottom of the screen. That is probaly the reason I could not reproduce the playback problem. I will check that one.

Willem.