Patching/.Monitoring Multitrack problem

PeterWright wrote on 2/29/2004, 10:11 PM
A similar problem to another thread, but slightly different. I am also trying to keep backing instruments from spilling onto a new vocal track. I think mine is caused by my ignorance as to what should plug in where ....

Here's what I've been trying:
Mic goes into Channel 1 of a Behringer MX802A mixer.
Main Outs from this go into an MAudio Quattro, then to USB port of Laptop.

We need to be able to hear pre-recorded backing and live vocal input, so I've been trying to use headphones plugged into the Mixer's Phones socket.

To be able to hear the backing, I tried patching the Quattro OUT to Aux Returns on the Behringer, but this mixes the backing in with the new output. I tried connecting it to Ctrl Room Out, and this does keep it separate, but it's only in one ear and a bit muffled, and level is only controllable by using the Vegas slider

My workaround for the time being is plugging the headphones straight into one the Quattro's OUT sockets, but I'm sure there's a correct way of achieving this.

Thanks for any tips.

Peter



Comments

Cold wrote on 3/1/2004, 5:48 AM
I don't believe this unit has direct outs, so your options are a bit limmited.
The tape in is where you should be patching the returns, not the control room out. If this mutes the mic line (with the button pushed in), then your only options are to use the aux send for recording the mic channel, or monitoring through a second box like a headphone amp.
Steve S.
cosmo wrote on 3/1/2004, 8:38 AM
Here's my old(Behringer board) and new setups(Carvin board). My audio card is M-audio delta 410 and has 8 outs and 2 ins.

Behringer: Mic/line/bass whatever into any channel on the mixer. Main outs routed to soundcard ins. Soundcard out (1,2) back to the TAPE IN on the mixer. On the mixer, there is a button called 2-track to tape/mix or something like that. That button when out lets me hear what's coming through the mixer and not the PC. With it pressed in I hear the PC stuff. If I arm a track and have my monitoring settings set properly, I can listen to what I've done and also hear what I'm doing, with effects.

Well - the Behringer JUST died out of the blue last week and I ordered a new mixer, a Carvin. It's set up a little differently - more for analog deck recording. It's set up as follows: Mic/line/bass into the channel. DIRECT out insert from channels one and two going to the sound card ins. Soundcard outs(1,2) go back to the tape in of the mixer. In the app it works the same way - arm and monitor a track and you can hear the mix and the new track.

Don't know if that helps any but there it is!
PeterWright wrote on 3/1/2004, 4:06 PM
Thanks both of you.

I'll try the tape ins later - on the Behringer they're rca phono, so I need a couple of converters from jack to phonos - gotta be out shooting this morning, but I'll get some on my way back.
Cold wrote on 3/1/2004, 5:19 PM
Do you wish to monitor using input monitoring in vegas?(behringer>soundcard>vegas>soundcard>behringer)
Or directly through the behringer board?
Steve S.
PeterWright wrote on 3/1/2004, 8:14 PM
Steve, I'd just like the choice of input monitoring, however that's possible - as I said, it sort of works by sticking the headphones into the Quattro Out.

My singer, who's coming this afternoon, sometimes prefers not to hear her own input, but I think because in Vegas I can add a Track effect but still record the dry signal, this may produce an even better performance.

Peter
Cold wrote on 3/1/2004, 8:27 PM
I personally do not monitor through vegas due to latency issues and my interfaces dislike for asio. If you're going to feed your singer reverb keep it light as it can hide vocal mistakes. Good luck.
Steve S.
PeterWright wrote on 3/1/2004, 8:48 PM
Thanks Steve - The ironic thing was last week we did a trial recording using the laptop's (Sony Vaio) built in sound card and headphone socket - no input monitoring, but got pretty good results.

Now I want to do it with a better Mic (Rode NT1) which means mixer plus external sound card plus ASIO introduces lots of new challenges, but hopefully we'll end up with a better recording.

I've just patched up the Quattro outs to the 2TK Tape in, and it works great - send 2TK to Ctrl Room but not to Mix.

For the purpose of recording, I've done a working mixdown of the backing, so there's only one track apart from the vocals.

Thanks for the tip about minimising reverb - sounds a good idea - just enough to add a bit of "presence".

I mostly do Video - this is an original song to go in a documentary - who needs copyright hassles?
Cold wrote on 3/2/2004, 5:18 PM
Last tip, be carefull with the behringer preamp gain setting, it won't handle loud volume spikes well. Err on the side of caution.
Glad to have been of assistance, just desperately trying to ballance out my vegas karma :)
Steve S.
PeterWright wrote on 3/2/2004, 9:16 PM
Thanks Steve - the session went well - I'm having fun mixing it down and adding effects - decisions decisions!

I did tweak the gain a little, but I did feel a bit confused as to whether to increase gain, channel volume or master volume. Anyway, got a nice low noise, undistorted recording.

(Not much info in the Sony release on V5, but I'm sure many audio guys will be happy about external control surface support.)

Cold wrote on 3/3/2004, 5:37 AM
Set master volume to zero, channel volume to zero, bring up the gain as nescessary.
I'm waiting on vegas 5 like christmas.Controller support yes!
Steve S.