PC usability while rendering?

MyST wrote on 11/7/2004, 11:18 AM
Athlon XP 2800+
512 DDR memory
XP Home Edition

So, with above mentioned configuration, is it possible for me to do other things with my PC while rendering? Should I not?
Rendering to DVD-A format.
Can I, for example, start the render and use Acid? Maybe just some "light" tasks?
Is it best to just start rendering when I go to bed? Or is my machine powerful enough that I shouldn't have any problems? I'm rendering to a separate drive than my OS.

Thanks for the input.

Mario

Comments

johnmeyer wrote on 11/7/2004, 11:38 AM
DVDA seems to "take over" the PC like no other application I have ever run. Everything gets VERY sluggish, and your PC is basically not useful during a prepare operation.

Vegas is much better, although the AC3 render slows the computer down quite a bit. During most other render operations, Vegas "behaves" like a good Windows citizen and gives control back to the PC at regular intervals so that your computer remains reasonably responsive.

Thus, the computer is generally usable.

I think you were also asking whether using the computer might somehow cause a problem, like putting a glitch in your render. It will not.

I ALWAYS use my computer during renders. In fact, that is what I am doing now (you can tell when I'm rendering, because that's when I visit this forum and answer questions -- It is also why I sometimes seemed ticked off at DVDA, because whenever it is doing something, my computer gets slower, and no other application does that to my computer).
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/7/2004, 11:41 AM
Anything MPEG will take over the machine. So many processing cycles happening there, it eats up the system resources fairly quickly. As John points out, it rarely will cause a glitch, UNLESS you have a system resource required and you call on that resource from another app. this can happen, but it's not common.
John, DVDA actually runs LIGHTER on my machine than does Ulead or REEL. Then again, I never render to MPEG in DVDA.
MyST wrote on 11/7/2004, 11:43 AM
Thank you, sirs!

I'm taking users' advice and rendering to DVD-A video stream and PCM wave separately out of Vegas.
This seems to take alot longer than just using the default MPEG-2 template.

Mario
ScottW wrote on 11/7/2004, 12:25 PM
Why PCM? If you're going to DVDA you should be doing AC3.

If you find that Vegas uses too much of your processor during render, use the task manager and lower it's process priority.

--Scott
MyST wrote on 11/7/2004, 12:47 PM
Well, the DVD-A manual says it'll take either PCM or AC-3.
So you're suggesting AC-3...why?
It's better than PCM?

Mario
ScottW wrote on 11/7/2004, 1:38 PM
Actually, I guess it doesn't really matter. DVDA will take the PCM stuff and compress it to AC3 anyway. I'm just used to using the Vegas script that renders the video and AC3 audio in one click.
Chienworks wrote on 11/7/2004, 1:42 PM
AC3 is almost as good as PCM, and takes up way less space, so you have more room on the disc for more material.

I regularly use my computer for many other tasks while rendering. I usually set Vegas' priority to below normal so it probably averages about 93% CPU usage instead of 97%. The increased rendering time is just about unnoticeable and is way more than offset by being able to do other tasks during that time.

In fact, one of the many tasks i often perform while rendering is ... rendering! Running multiple renders simultaneously is one of Vegas' great strengths.

And just to forestall the oft asked question: performing other tasks while rendering will not and cannot cause dropped frames in the output file.
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/7/2004, 2:00 PM
AC3 is great for dialog and most scenes. It's nowhere near as robust as PCM for full music or action mixes. However, it also uses nearly 10 times the space, depending on content. So, if you want the BEST audio on short films, use PCM, especially if you have big booms, articulate music, or lots of frequency contrasts. If it's a documentary, wedding vid, news show, training project, etc....AC3 will be great.
DVD Architect will allow you to use either format, or even mix formats.
johnmeyer wrote on 11/7/2004, 2:09 PM
Spot: DVDA actually runs LIGHTER on my machine than does Ulead or REEL. Then again, I never render to MPEG in DVDA

I don't render in DVDA either. That is why it is so puzzling that DVDA should be so slow when it is just doing a prepare. I brought this to Sony's attention, so they do understand the issue.

Mario: I'm taking users' advice and rendering to DVD-A video stream and PCM wave separately out of Vegas.

Ah, yes. Once again (several times a week) the "default template" issue. Sony has Vegas revert to the "default template" every time you do an MPEG-2 render; it does not "remember" the last template you used. This is VERY unfortunate because the default template has a setting of 15 for the "video quality" setting, whereas all the DVD Architect templates have this setting pegged at the maximum value of 31. This quality slider makes a BIG difference in encoding time (smaller values are faster), but unfortunately also makes a big difference in the quality of the encode.

This forum gets several posts each week from people complaining about DVD quality, and it is almost always traced back to choosing the "Default" template. Who can blame them? Shouldn't the "default" give you the best starting point? It doesn't. ALWAYS use one of the DVD Architect templates when encoding to MPEG-2.

John: And just to forestall the oft asked question: performing other tasks while rendering will not and cannot cause dropped frames in the output file.

I agree. This is totally different from capture, where the computer must keep up with the relentless stream of data arriving at the computer from the capture device. By contrast, when rendering, the computer can stop or stall the render process in order to "service" a foreground application (like me typing this message), and it won't make any difference in the final result.

However, as far as setting the task priority, that will help with something that hogs the CPU, but it doesn't help with a program that hogs the disk. Disk I/O is not affected by changing task priority. As a result, the problems I noted with DVDA cannot be fixed simply by changing the task priority, because the problem with DVDA is that it hits the disk millions of times during a simple prepare. I didn't believe this until I did the tests. Open the task manager the next time you do a prepare of a totally full DVD. Look at the disk I/O stats. You will be amazed at the disk activity.
MyST wrote on 11/7/2004, 2:10 PM
Thanks for all the great advice!

Mario
Erk wrote on 11/8/2004, 4:44 AM
Ac3 vs. PCM.... can anyone comment on whihc format is more compatible with more consumer DVD players? Or is this not a factor here?

I've always used Ac3, with no problems.

Thanks,

Greg
jetdv wrote on 11/8/2004, 7:07 AM
It is not a factor. ALL DVD players must be able to play PCM and AC3. European players must also be able to play MPEG audio as well. Because of this, many US players will also but it is not a requirement.