Petition to bring back the Vegas 3 timestretching algorithms

Ben  wrote on 2/25/2003, 6:08 PM
I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I really loved the 'autofade for voice' and 'general purpose' timestretching algorithms in Vegas 3. Of course, the Vegas 4 options are sonically superior and much more useful for the majority of material.

But, but, but... those two algorithms really did it for me! While not so good for most stretching jobs, they were <great> for FX, especially drums. For dance production, I tend to bring loops I've made into Vegas and edit the hell out of them, specifically creating cool fills, etc. If you never stretched a snare using the 'general purpose' algorithm in VV3, and you make dance music, you missed out. With it, you could easily create those cool drum and bass style fills, and using using the algorithm with pitching shifting also created some fantastic effects.

'Autofade for voice' also had its uses, and used to its extemities also created some good FX.

Obviously the introduction of the Forge-like algorithms in V4 is a step forward, but I plead with the Vegas developers to put the VV3 options back as well - especially the two above. They could have '(Vegas 3)' by them, so people realised why they were there or could be labelled something like 'Special FX 1', 'Special FX 2', etc. Another argument for this is that I've realised a load of VV3 projects of mine now sound very strange in Vegas 4, as the stretching on events defaults to one of the new options.

Anyway, apologies for the long post. Am I the only one who finds a use for these?

Thanks
Ben

Comments

ibliss wrote on 2/25/2003, 6:42 PM
Gotta say I loaded up one of my V3 projects that made use of the timestretch as an effect into V4 and it of course sounded different - a word of warning to those of you thinking of uninstalling V3 just yet!

But I did find a very close match amongst the options in V4 (can't remember which one now - I think speech 3) but it wasn't the same.
PipelineAudio wrote on 2/25/2003, 9:18 PM
that is too cool, using vegas' algos as a musical instrument sort of :) too cool!
hope they find a way to bring that back for you
SHTUNOT wrote on 2/25/2003, 10:03 PM
You got my vote ben.

Ed.
Ben  wrote on 2/26/2003, 11:02 AM
Great! Come on guys...anyone else?

Ben
donaldh606 wrote on 2/27/2003, 10:52 AM
I gotta say Ben, using the time stretch mainly on voice as I do I really like the change to the SF like usage of time stretching. I often found the TS in V3 to be limited. Speaking exclusively for my personal taste.

Arnar wrote on 2/27/2003, 12:35 PM
I like the new ones but i totally agree on keeping the older ones in there.

So yeah, you have my vote as well.
Ben  wrote on 2/27/2003, 3:53 PM
Donald - totally agree. For most usual production purposes, the V4 stretching options are far superior and much more useful. I'm not suggesting they should be replaced by the V3 algorithms, just that it would also be great if they could additionally put the V3 stretching algorithms back in V4 for 'FX' purposes. The more options the better as far as I'm concerned...

Ben
salad wrote on 2/27/2003, 6:18 PM
I'm IN!
I like free fx. Maybe they can get these worked back in by....at least the "b" update.
Don't forget to submit this via the product suggestion page. I'll do the same!

pat
stakeoutstudios wrote on 2/28/2003, 3:50 AM
I've been working with the V4 time stretch, and gotta say I really prefer it! although I'm definitely not against more options.

I did find a bug though

cutting up lots of vocals, timestretching and lots of crossfades sometimes results in gapping on playback. However sometimes when you play back it's not there at all.. kind of annoying! But it still renders fine, so it's not a showstopper...

Jason

Rednroll wrote on 2/28/2003, 5:33 PM
"Maybe they can get these worked back in by....at least the "b" update."

The sad thing is, there were similar "references" by Sonic Foundry for features when Vegas 3 was released, just like now in Vegas 4. You always hear, "well we couldn't get that feature in time by the release date, but it should be easy enough to get it in an update." There was 3 updates in Vegas 3....A,B, and C. I can't think of ANY features that where added on the audio side. Same for Sound Forge 6. Revision A,B,C, and now D. ALL bug updates and there hasn't been an update on that in awhile and there's still some pretty bad bugs. It's nice to be hopeful and wish for feature additions in updates, but if someone can show me a different path, I won't be expecting any.