Please help running out of time.

cervama wrote on 9/6/2005, 3:22 PM
Hello everyone, My question is how will I be able to finish this project.

I did some edit work for a wedding videographer who will come to pick up the work I did for him.

I finished the work like he wanted it, but I made a blunder when I rendered the project I forgot to put one important title.

I fixed the problem but do I need to re-render the project again? Last render took 4.5 hours. My change is only 7 seconds long. How will I do this without rendering the project again?

Your help is appreciated.

MAC

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Spot|DSE wrote on 9/6/2005, 3:24 PM
What I'd do, is place the already rendered video on the original timeline as a top track.
Split out the part you need to fix, fix it in the segments below, and render again. It will only require rendering time for the new segment, and will save you a bundle of time.
cervama wrote on 9/6/2005, 3:29 PM
Thanks spot for replying.

is this for mpeg2 that was rendered for DVDA2 I'm confused.

The one that I rendered how will I do that? Forgive my ignorance.

MAC
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/6/2005, 3:40 PM
Ahh...you rendered to MPEG 2 with no archive AVI....ouch. It will have to be re-rendered, unless you've got an avi.
Even Vegas doesn't have smart rendering for MPEG, so the entire timeline has to be rendered again after the changes are made.
You could mark frame points, and try to use one of the MPEG joining tools, and split out the bad area, and rejoin with the new...But I don't have much experience with that. Sorry!
Womble works good from my experience, and the comments of others, I've also used Aone Software's Ultra Video Joiner, but it had some issues. Then again, this was a while back. They've probably upgraded by now. I don't believe it splits, but not sure.
cervama wrote on 9/6/2005, 3:45 PM
Thanks spot, I appreciate your help. In the future I will make a copy and ptt. I had rendered it for the dvd menu. I just have to buy the bullet this time.

Thanks,

MAC
johnmeyer wrote on 9/6/2005, 6:41 PM
Womble or TMPGENc will let you join several already-rendered MPEG-2 files. However DVDA can have some very subtle problems with these, I found last spring.

Someday Sony marketing people will realize how important this function has become and will add it.

Then again, maybe they won't.
Serena wrote on 9/6/2005, 8:09 PM
Spot, I guess you always render to .AVI and let DVDA do the MPEG encoding? I used to do that but have been doing the MPEG render in Vegas. Not a good idea for the obvious reason you've given, but are there any other issues affecting this workflow? In my case I'm editing in HDV and then rendering out for DVD. This means I'm keeping everything in case I want to do additional edits. It might be better to render out to a HD avi and then do the downcoding in DVDA. Probably a matter I can sort myself without much effort, but undoubtedly you already have a recommendation!

Serena
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/6/2005, 8:42 PM
We almost always keep an archive for clients in 4:2:2.
So, that becomes our render-from. So, we have a sort of luxury, in that all finished files to to a separate HDD, and the veg file and 4:2:2 are always there. Take space, but HDD's are so cheap these days, we charge clients a nominal fee for them, and no one complains. Plus, if they ever want their media, it's just a single locate to find it all. And even if they can't open it because they don't have Vegas, most anything can open the 4:2:2 file.
riredale wrote on 9/6/2005, 9:40 PM
I am always paranoid about some drive screeching to a halt or the power supply dying in a haze of smoke and sparks, so I often render the parts I've been working on out to DV avi for safekeeping to disk but also to DV tape. If I'm really paranoid that week I keep the tape in a different location. It does take a bit more time that way but I know I'll never totally lose the months of work if the worst happens.

As it happens I also render to MPEG2 using a different program than Vegas or DVD-A, so I of course have to do a final render to DV avi anyways.

In your case the fastest thing would have been to encode to MPEG2 just the fixed portion and then reassemble the final shebang with Womble. I've never done it, though, but it should work just fine.
Serena wrote on 9/6/2005, 10:06 PM
Yes, that sounds sensible, DSE. One modified workflow coming up!
Grazie wrote on 9/6/2005, 11:21 PM
As a bare minimum, I render out to miniDV tape for archiving. Saved this guy's bacon on more than one occasion - oh yes!