positioning and deleting??

watson wrote on 2/13/2003, 11:44 PM

I am trying to line up a bunch of small picture in pictures on the face of matching 3D rectangles I created on an AVI track.I have keyed the black background out and am left with 6 3D Rectangles.

I am having a heck of a time getting the PIP in place on the rectangles and having them stay.
I have tried using track motion to shrink and position and then the 3D plug in fx to tweak them to size because the Track Motion does not seem to be able to make very tiny incremental adjustments.
Two things are happening.
1) I start with the first frame/keyframe line things up with T.M but it seems like the first frame will not stay where I adjusted it.
2) I also gave pan and crop a try but it seemed unable to be used near the far left side of my composition. It would mysteriously begin disappearing like it was slipping under a layer toward the far side.

How do you delete the blue pan/crop and start fresh? I have right clicked everywhere but do not see a option for this. I'm sure it is there in front of my face. :-)
Also How do you delete and start fresh with Track motion?

I began using the 3D plug in to do the final sizing because I can use the numeric values to tweak to a greater degree than Track motion unless I'm missing something.

The overall question is: what is the fastest way to do what I am attempting.

I apologize if these are stupid questions.
Thank you in advance.
W

Comments

mikkie wrote on 2/14/2003, 9:21 AM

There have been some earlier discussions of something similar (without the 3d cubes) that might provide some hints.

Usually I've seen this done in after effects or I've done it in a 3D app & I know Boris can handle it. To do it in Vegas I thought you could add values numerically to the track motion & not holding would probably be the result of using a keyframe to position it where you want -> before and after it won't be there. Still, I'd probably concentrate on the 3D plugins as trackmotion won't distort the perspective to match your blocks.

If you're having trouble getting them all into position, would it be an option to render each cube separately, then combine them all using track motion? Or could add the fx so each track solo'd looks as you'd want, then do the track motion to place each track.

When I played with separate video windows previously I think I found there wasn't a huge difference between rendering your tracks with TM using parent/child or masks. Can get confusing fast, which is why I asked about separating it into different renders, though you will take a quality hit.

To get the pan crop back where it was, usually it works to get the pan/crop dialog up for the track, delete any keyframes, turn the sync cursor with keyframe off, then select default from the drop down box with the saved settings. Note: I have had VV3 get so confused the only way to get back to the starting values was to start over, or at least delete and reinsert the clip.

mike

watson wrote on 2/14/2003, 9:21 AM

In V-4

mikkie wrote on 2/14/2003, 9:25 AM

In VV4 should be close or the same, but don't know how many folks have had time to play with it in any great depth yet.

SonyDennis wrote on 2/14/2003, 10:52 AM

Track motion (and pan/crop) has tons of precision (sub-pixel), perhaps you need to zoom in to get better adjustment with your mouse. Use your mouse wheel or the zoom setting. The rulers let you move around. Also, make sure the snap to grid is OFF.
///d@

watson wrote on 2/14/2003, 2:12 PM

Dennis, Thank you
I thought It might be a setting I missed for subpixel adjustments.
I was finding it hard to believe it could not be possible because everything else has been so feature rich.
Thanks again,
W

EPsymp wrote on 2/14/2003, 2:32 PM

I also had the same question about pan/crop. Nobody seemed to answer it so I thought i'd bring it up again. When you move the box which dictates the movement of the picture to past the guide picture in the background the picture is cut off at that point. I know track motion is a solution to this, but sometimes P/C is just more convenient.

jetdv wrote on 2/14/2003, 3:25 PM

EPymp, in Pan/Crop try right-clicking the picture area (the square with the "F") and choosing "Match Output Aspect" and see if it still cuts off the picture.