I just wanted to add on to be clear that the "S" command is not the same as the razor blade even if the end result is the same. In VV currently there is not a way to simply use the mouse to point, click and cut/razor.

VV allows for grouping however it doesn't always 'stick' and it seems, to me anyway, harder to choose what you want locked onto the group. Lots of pople would like to see VV use "nesting" and I agree with them. Premiere Pro has nesting, After Effects has allowed for it for a while now.

yeah, i knew about "s" and the grouping. filmy addressed what is missing i guess. nesting would be a great addition.

Filmy: how about click to position the cursor, then click Edit / Split ?

My opinion is that the Premiere way to use the razor is not as good as the Vegas way. Why? Because in Premiere you either do not even know where exactly you are splitting your file or you have to do some further step to have kind of marker which shows where to click.
Much faster/more precise in Vegas.

Marco

I have to agree, I'm very happy with hitting "s" to split but, then I've not used premier enough to know if there's an advantage to the razor tool. It seemed very awkward when I tried it because it seemed like you had to use the mouse to do it.

The split command will split the event currently selected if it is under the cursor or all events if no event is selected or under the cursor.

What I think is awkward about this is your natural tendency is to click on an event to select it. This moves the cursor and the cut point. I'd like to see an option to use a cursor handle (aka playback head) taht way I'd have to actually move the head to move the cursor and I could click anywhere I want.

If it's an option then people who don't want to use it don't have to.

As far as grouping goes, it's very primitive in Vegas. A/V groupings from the same file don't have priority over other groupings. This means if you group a bunch of stuff together and then ungroup them you'll also break the A/V links even if the two streams are from the same media.

Rob Mack

totally true, i love the vegas way, but sometimes it would be nice to simply single click on one track of video/audio that is overlapped with several other tracks of video and make a cut in just that track without slicing every track. (happens a lot for music videos where you film someone singing the song in 3 or 4 different locales and angles and bounce between video tracks) Vegas is more precise and usually faster, but I miss the speed of the Premiere way is all.

If you can select that one event the "S" will split only that event.

You can ctrl+click on the event without moving the cursor.

Rob Mack

>> sometimes it would be nice to simply single click on one track of video/audio that is overlapped
>> with several other tracks of video and make a cut in just that track without slicing every track.

You can have that in Vegas too. Vegas only splits clips in all tracks if NO clip is selected. If you've selected a clip only that one clip will be split.

Marco

I believe Vegas will split all tracks in a group too, won't it? I have no way to verfiy that right now.

JBJones

i have noticed that in the past that it does only split one track if selected, i just tend to forget to select the track sometimes in my haste, i was unaware of the CTRL+CLICK thing. I will try that later this evening.

>> I believe Vegas will split all tracks in a group too, won't it?

Yes, same does Premiere, I think. But this is right the way you should expect it to work, isn't it.

Marco

>Vegas only splits clips in all tracks if NO clip is selected<

Or if ALL are selected.

Gary

Oh. Yes of course. So obvious I didn't really think about it

It splits clips in every event selected. If none are selected then it splits across all tracks

Rob

Ctrl+click: many thanks!!! Love this forum.

Erni.

What I meant was that with Premiere you can click on any of the icons/buttons and your mouse will "act" that way - so if you click on the razor blade your mouse will act as a razor. In VV this is not the case. I believe this is what the orginal question was all about - can you do this method with VV? No you can't. What is comaprable to this method? Nothing really other than the ends results - which is the track is splt. Using the "s" key to me is not the same and using the mouse. The "click to position the cursor, then click Edit / Split" is closer but still not the same.

Now I am not saying the "S" method stinks - it does not. I was just answering a question. I do, however, feel that I can find the edge of a frame easier with Premiere than I can with VV. As some people have already pointed out in VV if you re-click the cursor will move. in Premiere this doesn't happen because where you click is where you cut.