Preview Auto = Half?

AVsupport wrote on 3/28/2019, 1:08 AM

On my main 4K monitor, I can make my preview window large enough to fit the full project size 1920x1080 frame. I also have an external monitor which is 1920x1080. Both will display 1920x1080 happily if [Preview=Full] is selected.

However, if I select [Preview=Auto], the Preview and Display shrinks to 960x540 which is equivalent to "Half".

VP16 manual suggests (p.424) "The Auto setting will adjust the frame size to fit the Video Preview window size."

In my case, this is not the case. Some internal calculations don't seem to work out, thus maybe affecting preview performance, ending up with dropped frames? (Source material is 4K)

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

Comments

fr0sty wrote on 3/28/2019, 2:32 AM

Maybe Vegas is detecting something preventing completely smooth playback, and is downscaling as a result. Perhaps at full res, it works good enough to edit, but maybe there's the occasional dropped frame that flags vegas to drop it a notch.

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Geforce RTX 3090

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Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

AVsupport wrote on 3/28/2019, 4:16 AM

...but maybe there's the occasional dropped frame that flags vegas to drop it a notch.

Well there is, where there is cuts from one clip to the next. As if there isn't enough 'read ahead' internal buffer set for 4K or VP isn't looking far enough ahead..once a clip is playing there's no dropped frames usually..

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

Dexcon wrote on 3/28/2019, 4:33 AM

Leading on from fr0sty's point, right click on the Preview Screen and check whether or not 'Adjust Size and Quality for Optimal Playback' is checked. If it is checked, then fr0sty's reasoning could very probably be exactly what is happening.

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C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

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Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

AVsupport wrote on 3/28/2019, 4:43 AM

check whether or not 'Adjust Size and Quality for Optimal Playback' is checked.

This option is only available if 'Scale Video to fit Preview Window' is selected. Then the 'Display' gets blown up but 'Preview' resolution still stays Half of 1080... what I want is Preview=Display=1080..that should be possible hmm

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

fan-boy wrote on 3/28/2019, 6:48 PM

Preview-->Auto with "Scale video to fit preview window" .or , Alt-Shift_4 to view Full screen .

"Auto" does reduce resolution in the Vegas Viewer . Vegas Viewer resolution does NOT affect render quality .

since you are using square pixel footage , "Simulate aspect ratio" should NOT be needed .

Preview-->Auto should improve Time Line responsiveness . While using "simulate aspect ratio" does reduce Time Line performance .

AVsupport wrote on 3/28/2019, 7:00 PM

Preview-->Auto with "Scale video to fit preview window" .or , Alt-Shift_4 to view Full screen .

I don't need to preview 'Full Screen' on my 4K monitor, as a full 1920x1080 fits perfectly fine on a quarter of the screen realestate, and on the external monitor.

Question is, why is 'Auto' downsizing when it shouldn't?

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

fan-boy wrote on 3/28/2019, 10:16 PM

I do NOT have a 4k monitor so I can't duplicate everything you do . But , How do you use the Viewer ? when I use the Viewer I have : "Show Tool Bar" OFF , "Show Status Bar" OFF , "Show Transport Bar" OFF . Those 3 Bars take up extra room that the View can use , they can cause "Auto" to reduce the size .

AVsupport wrote on 3/28/2019, 10:54 PM

Those 3 Bars take up extra room that the View can use , they can cause "Auto" to reduce the size

And they did. Even though it didn't look like it. [Feelin' really stupid right now..]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious @fan-boy , user error. Case Closed ;-)

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.