print-to-tape

landisd wrote on 1/2/2001, 7:54 AM
I am very frustrated...I bought VF last week and have spent far more time on it than was justified. My
task is simple: I want to bring a section of videotape from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF, add
titles and then feed it back to the VCR for copying. My computer stats are as follows:

1. P111, 533MH
2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M graphics/capture card

I can bring the video sequence in just fine via Video caputure or even the capture mode of the
All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file and then import it into VF, add the titles and, then the
trouble begins. First of all, the tape segement is between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a little
under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not apply. It shows up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
However, when I try to render it (often at 720...), it fails with a message that it couldn't write to the file
and to check for access privileges or enough room on disk--both of which are just silly. I finally can
render it using the matched resolution and uncompressed (it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
back to the VCR is the next problem which I have yet to solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
on it.
I bring the new segment back into Video Capture, set up my VCR for alternative input, follow the
instructions and play the segment with print-to-tape on. And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the computer" and a lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.

Anybody got a solution? I also resent having to pay for support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
the product---it seems as though the company ought to have enough faith in the product to provide at
least a time limited amount of technical support for us video editing challenged folks.

Thanks for your help.....

Comments

jimcho wrote on 1/2/2001, 8:30 AM
Dan,

The print-to-tape function is only for DV camcorders
attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To record movies to
a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out capabilities.
Then play the movie in full screen mode using a suitable
media player like the ATI File Player and press the record
button on the VCR.

Dan Landis wrote:
>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last week and have
spent far more time on it than was justified. My
>>task is simple: I want to bring a section of videotape
from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF, add
>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for copying. My
computer stats are as follows:
>>
>> 1. P111, 533MH
>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
graphics/capture card
>>
>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine via Video
caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file and then
import it into VF, add the titles and, then the
>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape segement is
between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a little
>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not apply. It shows
up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>However, when I try to render it (often at 720...), it
fails with a message that it couldn't write to the file
>>and to check for access privileges or enough room on disk-
-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>render it using the matched resolution and uncompressed
(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I have yet to
solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>on it.
>>I bring the new segment back into Video Capture, set up
my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>instructions and play the segment with print-to-tape on.
And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the computer" and a
lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>
>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent having to pay for
support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>the product---it seems as though the company ought to
have enough faith in the product to provide at
>>least a time limited amount of technical support for us
video editing challenged folks.
>>
>>Thanks for your help.....
landisd wrote on 1/2/2001, 8:53 AM
JC, the only problem with that is that the resolution becomes so degraded as to be practically
worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what should I render the file as within VF before going to the AIW
video out path?

JC wrote:
>>Dan,
>>
>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV camcorders
>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To record movies to
>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out capabilities.
>>Then play the movie in full screen mode using a suitable
>>media player like the ATI File Player and press the record
>>button on the VCR.
>>
>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last week and have
>>spent far more time on it than was justified. My
>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a section of videotape
>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF, add
>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for copying. My
>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>
>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
>>graphics/capture card
>>>>
>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine via Video
>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file and then
>>import it into VF, add the titles and, then the
>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape segement is
>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a little
>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not apply. It shows
>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>However, when I try to render it (often at 720...), it
>>fails with a message that it couldn't write to the file
>>>>and to check for access privileges or enough room on disk-
>>-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>>>render it using the matched resolution and uncompressed
>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I have yet to
>>solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>>>on it.
>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video Capture, set up
>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>instructions and play the segment with print-to-tape on.
>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the computer" and a
>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>
>>>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent having to pay for
>>support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>>>the product---it seems as though the company ought to
>>have enough faith in the product to provide at
>>>>least a time limited amount of technical support for us
>>video editing challenged folks.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your help.....
jimcho wrote on 1/2/2001, 4:01 PM
When you turn on the TV-out function, your monitor's
resolution and refresh rate will drop to match a TV signal,
which will look crappy on the monitor but should still
record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use would be a
lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs. It you want to
create longer videos and are low on disk space, MPEG2 is a
good choice.

Dan Landis wrote:
>>JC, the only problem with that is that the resolution
becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what should I render
the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>video out path?
>>
>>JC wrote:
>>>>Dan,
>>>>
>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV camcorders
>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To record
movies to
>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out
capabilities.
>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode using a
suitable
>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and press the
record
>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>
>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last week and have
>>>>spent far more time on it than was justified. My
>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a section of
videotape
>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF, add
>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for copying.
My
>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine via Video
>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file and then
>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and, then the
>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape segement is
>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a little
>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not apply. It
shows
>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often at 720...),
it
>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't write to the file
>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or enough room on
disk-
>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution and
uncompressed
>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I have yet
to
>>>>solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>>>>>on it.
>>>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video Capture, set
up
>>>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>>>instructions and play the segment with print-to-tape
on.
>>>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the computer" and
a
>>>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent having to pay
for
>>>>support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>>>>>the product---it seems as though the company ought to
>>>>have enough faith in the product to provide at
>>>>>>least a time limited amount of technical support for
us
>>>>video editing challenged folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for your help.....
deef wrote on 1/2/2001, 4:47 PM
Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle miroDC30,
also allow previewing out to an external device on playback
since when it captures the video it uses a hardware codec.
Therefore when it's played back it also decompresses via
the hardware.

JC wrote:
>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your monitor's
>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to match a TV
signal,
>>which will look crappy on the monitor but should still
>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use would be a
>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs. It you want
to
>>create longer videos and are low on disk space, MPEG2 is
a
>>good choice.
>>
>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the resolution
>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what should I
render
>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>video out path?
>>>>
>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV camcorders
>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To record
>>movies to
>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out
>>capabilities.
>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode using a
>>suitable
>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and press the
>>record
>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last week and
have
>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was justified. My
>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a section of
>>videotape
>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF, add
>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for
copying.
>>My
>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine via
Video
>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file and
then
>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and, then the
>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape segement is
>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a little
>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not apply. It
>>shows
>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often at 720...),
>>it
>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't write to the
file
>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or enough room
on
>>disk-
>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution and
>>uncompressed
>>>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>>>>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I have
yet
>>to
>>>>>>solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>>>>>>>on it.
>>>>>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video Capture,
set
>>up
>>>>>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>>>>>instructions and play the segment with print-to-
tape
>>on.
>>>>>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the computer"
and
>>a
>>>>>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent having to
pay
>>for
>>>>>>support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>>>>>>>the product---it seems as though the company ought
to
>>>>>>have enough faith in the product to provide at
>>>>>>>>least a time limited amount of technical support
for
>>us
>>>>>>video editing challenged folks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks for your help.....
landisd wrote on 1/2/2001, 5:39 PM
Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2) codecs work. I went through the rendering process, set the
resolution at 320X240 and called for either ativcr codec...got a message that it is not supported....now
what do I do?

dee wrote:
>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle miroDC30,
>>also allow previewing out to an external device on playback
>>since when it captures the video it uses a hardware codec.
>>Therefore when it's played back it also decompresses via
>>the hardware.
>>
>>JC wrote:
>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your monitor's
>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to match a TV
>>signal,
>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but should still
>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use would be a
>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs. It you want
>>to
>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk space, MPEG2 is
>>a
>>>>good choice.
>>>>
>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the resolution
>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what should I
>>render
>>>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV camcorders
>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To record
>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out
>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode using a
>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and press the
>>>>record
>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last week and
>>have
>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a section of
>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF, add
>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for
>>copying.
>>>>My
>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine via
>>Video
>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file and
>>then
>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and, then the
>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape segement is
>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a little
>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not apply. It
>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often at 720...),
>>>>it
>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't write to the
>>file
>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or enough room
>>on
>>>>disk-
>>>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>>>>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution and
>>>>uncompressed
>>>>>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>>>>>>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I have
>>yet
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>>>>>>>>>on it.
>>>>>>>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video Capture,
>>set
>>>>up
>>>>>>>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>>>>>>>instructions and play the segment with print-to-
>>tape
>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>>>>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the computer"
>>and
>>>>a
>>>>>>>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent having to
>>pay
>>>>for
>>>>>>>>support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>>>>>>>>>the product---it seems as though the company ought
>>to
>>>>>>>>have enough faith in the product to provide at
>>>>>>>>>>least a time limited amount of technical support
>>for
>>>>us
>>>>>>>>video editing challenged folks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your help.....
jimcho wrote on 1/2/2001, 10:25 PM
I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none of the ATI
ones work. I only have the demo version so I can't try
rendering to MPEG.

The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the disk
requirements are enourmous. The best lossy codec I found
was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate up to 6000
kbps which will produce near original quality with very
reasonable disk usage. You can download the Codec from
http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.

Dan Landis wrote:
>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2) codecs work.
I went through the rendering process, set the
>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either ativcr
codec...got a message that it is not supported....now
>>what do I do?
>>
>>dee wrote:
>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle
miroDC30,
>>>>also allow previewing out to an external device on
playback
>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a hardware
codec.
>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also decompresses
via
>>>>the hardware.
>>>>
>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your monitor's
>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to match a TV
>>>>signal,
>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but should
still
>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use would be
a
>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs. It you
want
>>>>to
>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk space, MPEG2
is
>>>>a
>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the
resolution
>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what should I
>>>>render
>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV
camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To record
>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out
>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode using a
>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and press
the
>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last week
and
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a section of
>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF, add
>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for
>>>>copying.
>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
>>>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine via
>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file and
>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and, then the
>>>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape
segement is
>>>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not
apply. It
>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often at
720...),
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't write to
the
>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or enough
room
>>>>on
>>>>>>disk-
>>>>>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>>>>>>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution and
>>>>>>uncompressed
>>>>>>>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I
have
>>>>yet
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video
Capture,
>>>>set
>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>>>>>>>>>instructions and play the segment with print-to-
>>>>tape
>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the
computer"
>>>>and
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent having
to
>>>>pay
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>>>>>>>>>>>the product---it seems as though the company
ought
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>have enough faith in the product to provide at
>>>>>>>>>>>>least a time limited amount of technical
support
>>>>for
>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>>>video editing challenged folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your help.....
landisd wrote on 1/2/2001, 11:47 PM
JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it so that VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
it in the same directory as the VF program, but it didn't show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
help...I really appreciate it....

Dan

JC wrote:
>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none of the ATI
>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I can't try
>>rendering to MPEG.
>>
>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the disk
>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy codec I found
>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate up to 6000
>>kbps which will produce near original quality with very
>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the Codec from
>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>
>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2) codecs work.
>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either ativcr
>>codec...got a message that it is not supported....now
>>>>what do I do?
>>>>
>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle
>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external device on
>>playback
>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a hardware
>>codec.
>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also decompresses
>>via
>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your monitor's
>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to match a TV
>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but should
>>still
>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use would be
>>a
>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs. It you
>>want
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk space, MPEG2
>>is
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the
>>resolution
>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what should I
>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV
>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To record
>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out
>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode using a
>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and press
>>the
>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last week
>>and
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a section of
>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF, add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for
>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine via
>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file and
>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and, then the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape
>>segement is
>>>>>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not
>>apply. It
>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often at
>>720...),
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't write to
>>the
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or enough
>>room
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>disk-
>>>>>>>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution and
>>>>>>>>uncompressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I
>>have
>>>>>>yet
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video
>>Capture,
>>>>>>set
>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>instructions and play the segment with print-to-
>>>>>>tape
>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the
>>computer"
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent having
>>to
>>>>>>pay
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the product---it seems as though the company
>>ought
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>have enough faith in the product to provide at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>least a time limited amount of technical
>>support
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>>>>>video editing challenged folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your help.....
jimcho wrote on 1/3/2001, 10:54 AM
Dan,

You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe program
to install it. It should then appear in the list of codecs.

One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of processing power
to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered video
size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit rate.

Dan Landis wrote:
>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it so that
VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but it didn't
show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>JC wrote:
>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none of the
ATI
>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I can't try
>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>
>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the disk
>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy codec I
found
>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate up to
6000
>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality with very
>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the Codec from
>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>
>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2) codecs
work.
>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either ativcr
>>>>codec...got a message that it is not supported....now
>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle
>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external device on
>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a hardware
>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
decompresses
>>>>via
>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your
monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to match a
TV
>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but should
>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use
would be
>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs. It
you
>>>>want
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk space,
MPEG2
>>>>is
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the
>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what should
I
>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV
>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To
record
>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out
>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode using
a
>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and
press
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last
week
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was
justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a section
of
>>>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF,
add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for
>>>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine
via
>>>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file
and
>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and, then
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape
>>>>segement is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a
little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not
>>>>apply. It
>>>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often at
>>>>720...),
>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't write
to
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or
enough
>>>>room
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>disk-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution and
>>>>>>>>>>uncompressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>yet
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video
>>>>Capture,
>>>>>>>>set
>>>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>instructions and play the segment with
print-to-
>>>>>>>>tape
>>>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the
>>>>computer"
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent
having
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>pay
>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the product---it seems as though the
company
>>>>ought
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have enough faith in the product to provide
at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>least a time limited amount of technical
>>>>support
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video editing challenged folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your help.....
landisd wrote on 1/3/2001, 1:14 PM
Thanks, I did what you suggested. I rendered a 9:55 min tape at 320X240 and 3000 bit rate. It came
out fairly good, though still significantly less clear (but I think acceptable) than the original. I used the
DivX (fast motion) codec--what does the DivX (slow motion) one do?

I really appreciate your putting me on to this codec. The rendered version came out to about 300M.
I realize that when I was using DV codecs, I was rrunning smack into the 4G barrier which was why I
was getting the error message. This seems to work much better---It would be good if SF would give
some explanation for the various codecs and when they are appropriate as well as the applicable
settings for each----

If SF is listening, it would also be useful to have a message pop up just before you begin the
rendering process, but have called for a codec, etc., indicating the likely file size. The message could
also indicate when you will exceed the limit---right now the only way we find it out is to actually run
the rendering and when it dies, we know we've bumped the barrier.....

Dan

JC wrote:
>>Dan,
>>
>>You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe program
>>to install it. It should then appear in the list of codecs.
>>
>>One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of processing power
>>to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered video
>>size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit rate.
>>
>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it so that
>>VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but it didn't
>>show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>>>
>>>>Dan
>>>>
>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none of the
>>ATI
>>>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I can't try
>>>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the disk
>>>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy codec I
>>found
>>>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate up to
>>6000
>>>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality with very
>>>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the Codec from
>>>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2) codecs
>>work.
>>>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either ativcr
>>>>>>codec...got a message that it is not supported....now
>>>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle
>>>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external device on
>>>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a hardware
>>>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
>>decompresses
>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your
>>monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to match a
>>TV
>>>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but should
>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use
>>would be
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs. It
>>you
>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk space,
>>MPEG2
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the
>>>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what should
>>I
>>>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV
>>>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port. To
>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video out
>>>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode using
>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and
>>press
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last
>>week
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was
>>justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a section
>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into VF,
>>add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR for
>>>>>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with 16M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just fine
>>via
>>>>>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi file
>>and
>>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and, then
>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape
>>>>>>segement is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at a
>>little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should not
>>>>>>apply. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often at
>>>>>>720...),
>>>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't write
>>to
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or
>>enough
>>>>>>room
>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>disk-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution and
>>>>>>>>>>>>uncompressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to send it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem which I
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>solve--but spent most of my holiday weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video
>>>>>>Capture,
>>>>>>>>>>set
>>>>>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>instructions and play the segment with
>>print-to-
>>>>>>>>>>tape
>>>>>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the
>>>>>>computer"
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anybody got a solution? I also resent
>>having
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>support (via a 900 number) when I just bought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the product---it seems as though the
>>company
>>>>>>ought
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have enough faith in the product to provide
>>at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>least a time limited amount of technical
>>>>>>support
>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video editing challenged folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your help.....
jimcho wrote on 1/3/2001, 2:27 PM
Crank up the bit rate to 6000 and you should see only a
slight loss in quality. And according to your rendered
file size, you should still be able to get a 60 minute
video under the 4 gig limitation.

Another advantage to DivX, it renders quite a bit faster
that the DV codecs, at least in my limited experience.

Dan Landis wrote:
>>Thanks, I did what you suggested. I rendered a 9:55 min
tape at 320X240 and 3000 bit rate. It came
>>out fairly good, though still significantly less clear
(but I think acceptable) than the original. I used the
>>DivX (fast motion) codec--what does the DivX (slow
motion) one do?
>>
>>I really appreciate your putting me on to this codec.
The rendered version came out to about 300M.
>>I realize that when I was using DV codecs, I was rrunning
smack into the 4G barrier which was why I
>>was getting the error message. This seems to work much
better---It would be good if SF would give
>>some explanation for the various codecs and when they are
appropriate as well as the applicable
>>settings for each----
>>
>>If SF is listening, it would also be useful to have a
message pop up just before you begin the
>>rendering process, but have called for a codec, etc.,
indicating the likely file size. The message could
>>also indicate when you will exceed the limit---right now
the only way we find it out is to actually run
>>the rendering and when it dies, we know we've bumped the
barrier.....
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>JC wrote:
>>>>Dan,
>>>>
>>>>You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe
program
>>>>to install it. It should then appear in the list of
codecs.
>>>>
>>>>One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of processing
power
>>>>to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered
video
>>>>size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit rate.
>>>>
>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it so
that
>>>>VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>>>>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but it
didn't
>>>>show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>>>>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none of
the
>>>>ATI
>>>>>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I can't
try
>>>>>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the disk
>>>>>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy codec I
>>>>found
>>>>>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate up
to
>>>>6000
>>>>>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality with
very
>>>>>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the Codec
from
>>>>>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2)
codecs
>>>>work.
>>>>>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either
ativcr
>>>>>>>>codec...got a message that it is not
supported....now
>>>>>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle
>>>>>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external device
on
>>>>>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a
hardware
>>>>>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
>>>>decompresses
>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your
>>>>monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to
match a
>>>>TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but
should
>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use
>>>>would be
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs.
It
>>>>you
>>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk
space,
>>>>MPEG2
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the
>>>>>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what
should
>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV
>>>>>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port.
To
>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video
out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode
using
>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and
>>>>press
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last
>>>>week
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was
>>>>justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a
section
>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into
VF,
>>>>add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR
for
>>>>>>>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA
enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with
16M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just
fine
>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi
file
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and,
then
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape
>>>>>>>>segement is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at
a
>>>>little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should
not
>>>>>>>>apply. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often
at
>>>>>>>>720...),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't
write
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or
>>>>enough
>>>>>>>>room
>>>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>disk-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally
can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution
and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>uncompressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to
send it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the VCR is the next problem
which I
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>solve--but spent most of my holiday
weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bring the new segment back into Video
>>>>>>>>Capture,
>>>>>>>>>>>>set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my VCR for alternative input, follow the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>instructions and play the segment with
>>>>print-to-
>>>>>>>>>>>>tape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And, nothing. No preview, no feed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VCR---I get a "Preview disabled on the
>>>>>>>>computer"
>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lovely blue screen on the VCR monitor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
jimcho wrote on 1/3/2001, 11:15 PM
After a little more experimenting, the settings that
produced the best results for me were:

Video size: 320 x 240
Field Order: None
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.0
Video Format: DivX - low motion @ 6000kbps
All other settings at their default value.

Total rendering time was just under 1 1/2 minutes for a 1
minute clip and produced a filesize of 23 meg. So a 60
minute clip would take up 1.4 gig with a rendering time of
90 minutes with a PIII-800. I could not playback a clip
rendered at 640x480 smoothly.

The original AVI source clip (captured at 320x240) showed
distinct square pixels when viewed in full screen mode. An
interesting benefit after rendering was that the square
pixels were "smoothed" out so that the visual artifacts of
the original clip were less apparent.
landisd wrote on 1/4/2001, 2:12 PM
JC, good idea--do you know if the resolution rate for Video Capture can be changed. When I use that
program to capture from a commercial videotape, it defaults to 320X240 yet the videotape is clearly
of higher resolution (e.g., 720 X 480). I poked around but could not find anyway to change that
setting. Cranking up the bit rate to 6000 will just get me close to 320 X 240 which is still significantly
poorer than the original tape.

Thanks for all your help---you've been much more responsive than those folks at SF.....(are you
listening, people?)

Dan

JC wrote:
>>Crank up the bit rate to 6000 and you should see only a
>>slight loss in quality. And according to your rendered
>>file size, you should still be able to get a 60 minute
>>video under the 4 gig limitation.
>>
>>Another advantage to DivX, it renders quite a bit faster
>>that the DV codecs, at least in my limited experience.
>>
>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>Thanks, I did what you suggested. I rendered a 9:55 min
>>tape at 320X240 and 3000 bit rate. It came
>>>>out fairly good, though still significantly less clear
>>(but I think acceptable) than the original. I used the
>>>>DivX (fast motion) codec--what does the DivX (slow
>>motion) one do?
>>>>
>>>>I really appreciate your putting me on to this codec.
>>The rendered version came out to about 300M.
>>>>I realize that when I was using DV codecs, I was rrunning
>>smack into the 4G barrier which was why I
>>>>was getting the error message. This seems to work much
>>better---It would be good if SF would give
>>>>some explanation for the various codecs and when they are
>>appropriate as well as the applicable
>>>>settings for each----
>>>>
>>>>If SF is listening, it would also be useful to have a
>>message pop up just before you begin the
>>>>rendering process, but have called for a codec, etc.,
>>indicating the likely file size. The message could
>>>>also indicate when you will exceed the limit---right now
>>the only way we find it out is to actually run
>>>>the rendering and when it dies, we know we've bumped the
>>barrier.....
>>>>
>>>>Dan
>>>>
>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe
>>program
>>>>>>to install it. It should then appear in the list of
>>codecs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of processing
>>power
>>>>>>to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered
>>video
>>>>>>size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it so
>>that
>>>>>>VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>>>>>>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but it
>>didn't
>>>>>>show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>>>>>>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none of
>>the
>>>>>>ATI
>>>>>>>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I can't
>>try
>>>>>>>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the disk
>>>>>>>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy codec I
>>>>>>found
>>>>>>>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate up
>>to
>>>>>>6000
>>>>>>>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality with
>>very
>>>>>>>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the Codec
>>from
>>>>>>>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2)
>>codecs
>>>>>>work.
>>>>>>>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either
>>ativcr
>>>>>>>>>>codec...got a message that it is not
>>supported....now
>>>>>>>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle
>>>>>>>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external device
>>on
>>>>>>>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a
>>hardware
>>>>>>>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
>>>>>>decompresses
>>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your
>>>>>>monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to
>>match a
>>>>>>TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but
>>should
>>>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use
>>>>>>would be
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs.
>>It
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk
>>space,
>>>>>>MPEG2
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the
>>>>>>>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what
>>should
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV
>>>>>>>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port.
>>To
>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video
>>out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode
>>using
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and
>>>>>>press
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last
>>>>>>week
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was
>>>>>>justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a
>>section
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into
>>VF,
>>>>>>add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR
>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA
>>enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with
>>16M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just
>>fine
>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi
>>file
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and,
>>then
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape
>>>>>>>>>>segement is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at
>>a
>>>>>>little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should
>>not
>>>>>>>>>>apply. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often
>>at
>>>>>>>>>>720...),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't
>>write
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or
>>>>>>enough
>>>>>>>>>>room
jimcho wrote on 1/4/2001, 3:59 PM
Assuming your using ATI MMC version 7, you can't do it for
AVI captures, you have to switch to MPEG, preferably MPEG2
if you machine can handle it without dropping frames.

However, I could not render to DivX at 740x480 and play it
back smoothly. And I'm running a P3-800. See my previous
post of best capture settings which this forum put in out-
of-sequence (if your viewing in the thread mode).

If your final output is regular VHS, then you may only need
320x240 resolution as VHS resolution is less. And you would
save on rendering time.

Dan Landis wrote:
>>JC, good idea--do you know if the resolution rate for
Video Capture can be changed. When I use that
>>program to capture from a commercial videotape, it
defaults to 320X240 yet the videotape is clearly
>>of higher resolution (e.g., 720 X 480). I poked around
but could not find anyway to change that
>>setting. Cranking up the bit rate to 6000 will just get
me close to 320 X 240 which is still significantly
>>poorer than the original tape.
>>
>>Thanks for all your help---you've been much more
responsive than those folks at SF.....(are you
>>listening, people?)
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>JC wrote:
>>>>Crank up the bit rate to 6000 and you should see only a
>>>>slight loss in quality. And according to your rendered
>>>>file size, you should still be able to get a 60 minute
>>>>video under the 4 gig limitation.
>>>>
>>>>Another advantage to DivX, it renders quite a bit
faster
>>>>that the DV codecs, at least in my limited experience.
>>>>
>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>Thanks, I did what you suggested. I rendered a 9:55
min
>>>>tape at 320X240 and 3000 bit rate. It came
>>>>>>out fairly good, though still significantly less
clear
>>>>(but I think acceptable) than the original. I used the
>>>>>>DivX (fast motion) codec--what does the DivX (slow
>>>>motion) one do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I really appreciate your putting me on to this
codec.
>>>>The rendered version came out to about 300M.
>>>>>>I realize that when I was using DV codecs, I was
rrunning
>>>>smack into the 4G barrier which was why I
>>>>>>was getting the error message. This seems to work
much
>>>>better---It would be good if SF would give
>>>>>>some explanation for the various codecs and when they
are
>>>>appropriate as well as the applicable
>>>>>>settings for each----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If SF is listening, it would also be useful to have a
>>>>message pop up just before you begin the
>>>>>>rendering process, but have called for a codec, etc.,
>>>>indicating the likely file size. The message could
>>>>>>also indicate when you will exceed the limit---right
now
>>>>the only way we find it out is to actually run
>>>>>>the rendering and when it dies, we know we've bumped
the
>>>>barrier.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe
>>>>program
>>>>>>>>to install it. It should then appear in the list
of
>>>>codecs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of
processing
>>>>power
>>>>>>>>to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered
>>>>video
>>>>>>>>size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit
rate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it
so
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>>>>>>>>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but
it
>>>>didn't
>>>>>>>>show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>>>>>>>>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none
of
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>ATI
>>>>>>>>>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I
can't
>>>>try
>>>>>>>>>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the
disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy
codec I
>>>>>>>>found
>>>>>>>>>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate
up
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>6000
>>>>>>>>>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality
with
>>>>very
>>>>>>>>>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the
Codec
>>>>from
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2)
>>>>codecs
>>>>>>>>work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either
>>>>ativcr
>>>>>>>>>>>>codec...got a message that it is not
>>>>supported....now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the
Pinnacle
>>>>>>>>>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external
device
>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a
>>>>hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
>>>>>>>>decompresses
>>>>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function,
your
>>>>>>>>monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to
>>>>match a
>>>>>>>>TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but
>>>>should
>>>>>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to
use
>>>>>>>>would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR
codecs.
>>>>It
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk
>>>>space,
>>>>>>>>MPEG2
>>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks,
anyway....what
>>>>should
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the
AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only
for DV
>>>>>>>>>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394
port.
>>>>To
>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's
video
>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen
mode
>>>>using
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player
and
>>>>>>>>press
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF
last
>>>>>>>>week
>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was
>>>>>>>>justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a
>>>>section
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR
into
>>>>VF,
>>>>>>>>add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the
VCR
>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA
>>>>enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128
with
>>>>16M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
landisd wrote on 1/4/2001, 10:56 PM
JC, did it and it gave significantly better results. However, still hobbled by the inability to record at
better than 320X240. Anytime I try to go over that (e.g., 720X640), the computer freezes to the point
that I have to do a cold reboot.

Also, why does the file seem to pause when it's being played--sort of like a hiccup.

JC wrote:
>>Crank up the bit rate to 6000 and you should see only a
>>slight loss in quality. And according to your rendered
>>file size, you should still be able to get a 60 minute
>>video under the 4 gig limitation.
>>
>>Another advantage to DivX, it renders quite a bit faster
>>that the DV codecs, at least in my limited experience.
>>
>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>Thanks, I did what you suggested. I rendered a 9:55 min
>>tape at 320X240 and 3000 bit rate. It came
>>>>out fairly good, though still significantly less clear
>>(but I think acceptable) than the original. I used the
>>>>DivX (fast motion) codec--what does the DivX (slow
>>motion) one do?
>>>>
>>>>I really appreciate your putting me on to this codec.
>>The rendered version came out to about 300M.
>>>>I realize that when I was using DV codecs, I was rrunning
>>smack into the 4G barrier which was why I
>>>>was getting the error message. This seems to work much
>>better---It would be good if SF would give
>>>>some explanation for the various codecs and when they are
>>appropriate as well as the applicable
>>>>settings for each----
>>>>
>>>>If SF is listening, it would also be useful to have a
>>message pop up just before you begin the
>>>>rendering process, but have called for a codec, etc.,
>>indicating the likely file size. The message could
>>>>also indicate when you will exceed the limit---right now
>>the only way we find it out is to actually run
>>>>the rendering and when it dies, we know we've bumped the
>>barrier.....
>>>>
>>>>Dan
>>>>
>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe
>>program
>>>>>>to install it. It should then appear in the list of
>>codecs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of processing
>>power
>>>>>>to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered
>>video
>>>>>>size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it so
>>that
>>>>>>VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>>>>>>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but it
>>didn't
>>>>>>show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>>>>>>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none of
>>the
>>>>>>ATI
>>>>>>>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I can't
>>try
>>>>>>>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the disk
>>>>>>>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy codec I
>>>>>>found
>>>>>>>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate up
>>to
>>>>>>6000
>>>>>>>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality with
>>very
>>>>>>>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the Codec
>>from
>>>>>>>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2)
>>codecs
>>>>>>work.
>>>>>>>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either
>>ativcr
>>>>>>>>>>codec...got a message that it is not
>>supported....now
>>>>>>>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the Pinnacle
>>>>>>>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external device
>>on
>>>>>>>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a
>>hardware
>>>>>>>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
>>>>>>decompresses
>>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your
>>>>>>monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to
>>match a
>>>>>>TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but
>>should
>>>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to use
>>>>>>would be
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs.
>>It
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk
>>space,
>>>>>>MPEG2
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that the
>>>>>>>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what
>>should
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for DV
>>>>>>>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port.
>>To
>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video
>>out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode
>>using
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player and
>>>>>>press
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF last
>>>>>>week
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was
>>>>>>justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a
>>section
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR into
>>VF,
>>>>>>add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the VCR
>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA
>>enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with
>>16M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in just
>>fine
>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as an .avi
>>file
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and,
>>then
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the tape
>>>>>>>>>>segement is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out at
>>a
>>>>>>little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should
>>not
>>>>>>>>>>apply. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it (often
>>at
>>>>>>>>>>720...),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't
>>write
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or
>>>>>>enough
>>>>>>>>>>room
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>disk-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I finally
>>can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render it using the matched resolution
>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>uncompressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
jimcho wrote on 1/5/2001, 12:46 AM
Dan,

Unfortunately, I don't think 720x480 is going to happen for
us poor souls with cheap analog capture cards. It takes
too much processing power to digitize an analog signal in
real-time.

I tried to capture a clip in 720x480 using Mpeg2. CPU
utilization shot up to 100% (with my P3-800) and I started
dropping about 15% of frames. The best I could do was
480x480 (SVCD quality), even then it consumed 80 - 90%
CPU. An AVI capture of 320x240 only required about 15% CPU.

So without an expensive hardware accelerated analog capture
card, it's not going to happen.

My camcorder is only a regular video-8 so I don't have that
extra resolution to lose. People with Hi-8 camcorders lose
the most; close to DV resolution but only able to capture
at VHS resolution. Of course, the ultimate solution is to
upgrade to a DV camcorder.

Dan Landis wrote:
>>JC, did it and it gave significantly better results.
However, still hobbled by the inability to record at
>>better than 320X240. Anytime I try to go over that
(e.g., 720X640), the computer freezes to the point
>>that I have to do a cold reboot.
>>
>>Also, why does the file seem to pause when it's being
played--sort of like a hiccup.
>>
>>JC wrote:
>>>>Crank up the bit rate to 6000 and you should see only a
>>>>slight loss in quality. And according to your rendered
>>>>file size, you should still be able to get a 60 minute
>>>>video under the 4 gig limitation.
>>>>
>>>>Another advantage to DivX, it renders quite a bit
faster
>>>>that the DV codecs, at least in my limited experience.
>>>>
>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>Thanks, I did what you suggested. I rendered a 9:55
min
>>>>tape at 320X240 and 3000 bit rate. It came
>>>>>>out fairly good, though still significantly less
clear
>>>>(but I think acceptable) than the original. I used the
>>>>>>DivX (fast motion) codec--what does the DivX (slow
>>>>motion) one do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I really appreciate your putting me on to this
codec.
>>>>The rendered version came out to about 300M.
>>>>>>I realize that when I was using DV codecs, I was
rrunning
>>>>smack into the 4G barrier which was why I
>>>>>>was getting the error message. This seems to work
much
>>>>better---It would be good if SF would give
>>>>>>some explanation for the various codecs and when they
are
>>>>appropriate as well as the applicable
>>>>>>settings for each----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If SF is listening, it would also be useful to have a
>>>>message pop up just before you begin the
>>>>>>rendering process, but have called for a codec, etc.,
>>>>indicating the likely file size. The message could
>>>>>>also indicate when you will exceed the limit---right
now
>>>>the only way we find it out is to actually run
>>>>>>the rendering and when it dies, we know we've bumped
the
>>>>barrier.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe
>>>>program
>>>>>>>>to install it. It should then appear in the list
of
>>>>codecs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of
processing
>>>>power
>>>>>>>>to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered
>>>>video
>>>>>>>>size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit
rate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it
so
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>>>>>>>>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but
it
>>>>didn't
>>>>>>>>show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>>>>>>>>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none
of
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>ATI
>>>>>>>>>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I
can't
>>>>try
>>>>>>>>>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the
disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy
codec I
>>>>>>>>found
>>>>>>>>>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate
up
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>6000
>>>>>>>>>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality
with
>>>>very
>>>>>>>>>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the
Codec
>>>>from
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2)
>>>>codecs
>>>>>>>>work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either
>>>>ativcr
>>>>>>>>>>>>codec...got a message that it is not
>>>>supported....now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the
Pinnacle
>>>>>>>>>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external
device
>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a
>>>>hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
>>>>>>>>decompresses
>>>>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function,
your
>>>>>>>>monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to
>>>>match a
>>>>>>>>TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but
>>>>should
>>>>>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to
use
>>>>>>>>would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR
codecs.
>>>>It
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk
>>>>space,
>>>>>>>>MPEG2
>>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks,
anyway....what
>>>>should
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the
AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only
for DV
>>>>>>>>>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394
port.
>>>>To
>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's
video
>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen
mode
>>>>using
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player
and
>>>>>>>>press
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF
last
>>>>>>>>week
>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was
>>>>>>>>justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a
>>>>section
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR
into
>>>>VF,
>>>>>>>>add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the
VCR
>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA
>>>>enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. A
SonyEPM wrote on 1/5/2001, 9:43 AM
We've had requests for a "predict rendered file size"
feature, but this is difficult to do with variable-bitrate
compressors.

NTSC DV is 3.8Mb/sec (fixed bitrate compression).

JC wrote:
>>Crank up the bit rate to 6000 and you should see only a
>>slight loss in quality. And according to your rendered
>>file size, you should still be able to get a 60 minute
>>video under the 4 gig limitation.
>>
>>Another advantage to DivX, it renders quite a bit faster
>>that the DV codecs, at least in my limited experience.
>>
>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>Thanks, I did what you suggested. I rendered a 9:55
min
>>tape at 320X240 and 3000 bit rate. It came
>>>>out fairly good, though still significantly less clear
>>(but I think acceptable) than the original. I used the
>>>>DivX (fast motion) codec--what does the DivX (slow
>>motion) one do?
>>>>
>>>>I really appreciate your putting me on to this codec.
>>The rendered version came out to about 300M.
>>>>I realize that when I was using DV codecs, I was
rrunning
>>smack into the 4G barrier which was why I
>>>>was getting the error message. This seems to work much
>>better---It would be good if SF would give
>>>>some explanation for the various codecs and when they
are
>>appropriate as well as the applicable
>>>>settings for each----
>>>>
>>>>If SF is listening, it would also be useful to have a
>>message pop up just before you begin the
>>>>rendering process, but have called for a codec, etc.,
>>indicating the likely file size. The message could
>>>>also indicate when you will exceed the limit---right
now
>>the only way we find it out is to actually run
>>>>the rendering and when it dies, we know we've bumped
the
>>barrier.....
>>>>
>>>>Dan
>>>>
>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe
>>program
>>>>>>to install it. It should then appear in the list of
>>codecs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of processing
>>power
>>>>>>to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered
>>video
>>>>>>size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it so
>>that
>>>>>>VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>>>>>>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but it
>>didn't
>>>>>>show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>>>>>>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none of
>>the
>>>>>>ATI
>>>>>>>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I
can't
>>try
>>>>>>>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the
disk
>>>>>>>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy codec
I
>>>>>>found
>>>>>>>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate up
>>to
>>>>>>6000
>>>>>>>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality
with
>>very
>>>>>>>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the
Codec
>>from
>>>>>>>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2)
>>codecs
>>>>>>work.
>>>>>>>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either
>>ativcr
>>>>>>>>>>codec...got a message that it is not
>>supported....now
>>>>>>>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the
Pinnacle
>>>>>>>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external
device
>>on
>>>>>>>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a
>>hardware
>>>>>>>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
>>>>>>decompresses
>>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function, your
>>>>>>monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to
>>match a
>>>>>>TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but
>>should
>>>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to
use
>>>>>>would be
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR codecs.
>>It
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk
>>space,
>>>>>>MPEG2
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that
the
>>>>>>>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks, anyway....what
>>should
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the
AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only for
DV
>>>>>>>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394 port.
>>To
>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's video
>>out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen mode
>>using
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player
and
>>>>>>press
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very frustrated...I bought VF
last
>>>>>>week
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent far more time on it than was
>>>>>>justified. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>task is simple: I want to bring a
>>section
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>videotape
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from an ordinary garden variety VCR
into
>>VF,
>>>>>>add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles and then feed it back to the
VCR
>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>copying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer stats are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. P111, 533MH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. 40G, IDE HD with DMA
>>enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. All-in-Wonder 128 with
>>16M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics/capture card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can bring the video sequence in
just
>>fine
>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caputure or even the capture mode of
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All-in-Wonder card, save it as
an .avi
>>file
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>import it into VF, add the titles and,
>>then
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trouble begins. First of all, the
tape
>>>>>>>>>>segement is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>between 9 and 10 minutes and logs out
at
>>a
>>>>>>little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>under 1G, so the 4G WIN limit should
>>not
>>>>>>>>>>apply. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up with a resolutionof 320X240X16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, when I try to render it
(often
>>at
>>>>>>>>>>720...),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fails with a message that it couldn't
>>write
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and to check for access privileges or
>>>>>>enough
>>>>>>>>>>room
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>disk-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-both of which are just silly. I
finally
>>can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render it using the matched
resolution
>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>uncompressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(it is now a bit over 1G). Trying to
>>send it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the VCR is the ne
landisd wrote on 1/10/2001, 7:18 AM
JC--Things seem to working OK--I find MPEG-1 works best--MPEG-2 drops too many frames. But,
I also note that when objects move on the they seem to blur a bit (i.e., I see the horizontal resolution
lines). Do you know if the video can be smoothed out. I used your settings.

Thanks

If you can, e-mail me direct with your thoughts....

Dan

JC wrote:
>>Assuming your using ATI MMC version 7, you can't do it for
>>AVI captures, you have to switch to MPEG, preferably MPEG2
>>if you machine can handle it without dropping frames.
>>
>>However, I could not render to DivX at 740x480 and play it
>>back smoothly. And I'm running a P3-800. See my previous
>>post of best capture settings which this forum put in out-
>>of-sequence (if your viewing in the thread mode).
>>
>>If your final output is regular VHS, then you may only need
>>320x240 resolution as VHS resolution is less. And you would
>>save on rendering time.
>>
>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>JC, good idea--do you know if the resolution rate for
>>Video Capture can be changed. When I use that
>>>>program to capture from a commercial videotape, it
>>defaults to 320X240 yet the videotape is clearly
>>>>of higher resolution (e.g., 720 X 480). I poked around
>>but could not find anyway to change that
>>>>setting. Cranking up the bit rate to 6000 will just get
>>me close to 320 X 240 which is still significantly
>>>>poorer than the original tape.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for all your help---you've been much more
>>responsive than those folks at SF.....(are you
>>>>listening, people?)
>>>>
>>>>Dan
>>>>
>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>Crank up the bit rate to 6000 and you should see only a
>>>>>>slight loss in quality. And according to your rendered
>>>>>>file size, you should still be able to get a 60 minute
>>>>>>video under the 4 gig limitation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Another advantage to DivX, it renders quite a bit
>>faster
>>>>>>that the DV codecs, at least in my limited experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>Thanks, I did what you suggested. I rendered a 9:55
>>min
>>>>>>tape at 320X240 and 3000 bit rate. It came
>>>>>>>>out fairly good, though still significantly less
>>clear
>>>>>>(but I think acceptable) than the original. I used the
>>>>>>>>DivX (fast motion) codec--what does the DivX (slow
>>>>>>motion) one do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I really appreciate your putting me on to this
>>codec.
>>>>>>The rendered version came out to about 300M.
>>>>>>>>I realize that when I was using DV codecs, I was
>>rrunning
>>>>>>smack into the 4G barrier which was why I
>>>>>>>>was getting the error message. This seems to work
>>much
>>>>>>better---It would be good if SF would give
>>>>>>>>some explanation for the various codecs and when they
>>are
>>>>>>appropriate as well as the applicable
>>>>>>>>settings for each----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If SF is listening, it would also be useful to have a
>>>>>>message pop up just before you begin the
>>>>>>>>rendering process, but have called for a codec, etc.,
>>>>>>indicating the likely file size. The message could
>>>>>>>>also indicate when you will exceed the limit---right
>>now
>>>>>>the only way we find it out is to actually run
>>>>>>>>the rendering and when it dies, we know we've bumped
>>the
>>>>>>barrier.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You need to unzip it and run the Register_DivX.exe
>>>>>>program
>>>>>>>>>>to install it. It should then appear in the list
>>of
>>>>>>codecs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>One caveat with DivX. It requires a lot of
>>processing
>>>>>>power
>>>>>>>>>>to play back. But as long as you keep the rendered
>>>>>>video
>>>>>>>>>>size to 320 X 240, you should be OK with any bit
>>rate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>JC--I downloaded the DivX, but where do I put it
>>so
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>VideoFactory will recognize it. I tried putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>it in the same directory as the VF program, but
>>it
>>>>>>didn't
>>>>>>>>>>show up in the codec list. Thanks for all your
>>>>>>>>>>>>help...I really appreciate it....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I tried a few codecs and can confirm that none
>>of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>ATI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ones work. I only have the demo version so I
>>can't
>>>>>>try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rendering to MPEG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The best quality I found was NTSC_DV, but the
>>disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>requirements are enourmous. The best lossy
>>codec I
>>>>>>>>>>found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was DivX (MPEG4). You can adjust the bit rate
>>up
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>6000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kbps which will produce near original quality
>>with
>>>>>>very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reasonable disk usage. You can download the
>>Codec
>>>>>>from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://divx.ctw.cc/index_main.html.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, folks, neither of the ATIVCR (1 or 2)
>>>>>>codecs
>>>>>>>>>>work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I went through the rendering process, set the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution at 320X240 and called for either
>>>>>>ativcr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>codec...got a message that it is not
>>>>>>supported....now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what do I do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, some MJPEG devices, like the
>>Pinnacle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>miroDC30,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>also allow previewing out to an external
>>device
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since when it captures the video it uses a
>>>>>>hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>codec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Therefore when it's played back it also
>>>>>>>>>>decompresses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When you turn on the TV-out function,
>>your
>>>>>>>>>>monitor's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution and refresh rate will drop to
>>>>>>match a
>>>>>>>>>>TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>signal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which will look crappy on the monitor but
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record OK on the VCR. The best Codec to
>>use
>>>>>>>>>>would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lossless Codec such as the ATI VCR
>>codecs.
>>>>>>It
>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>create longer videos and are low on disk
>>>>>>space,
>>>>>>>>>>MPEG2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC, the only problem with that is that
>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>becomes so degraded as to be practically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>worthless.....but thanks,
>>anyway....what
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the file as within VF before going to the
>>AIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video out path?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The print-to-tape function is only
>>for DV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>camcorders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attached to a compatible IEEE1394
>>port.
>>>>>>To
>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a VCR, you need to use the AIW's
>>video
>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then play the movie in full screen
>>mode
>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media player like the ATI File Player
>>and
>>>>>>>>>>press
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>button on the VCR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Landis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
jimcho wrote on 2/6/2001, 2:39 PM
I've also noticed this behaviour but can't pinpoint exactly
what causes it. It usually happens when I render to a
higher resolution that the capture. It may be an artifact
of a particular codec compression method with the scan
lines in the original source. I guess the solution is just
to experiment with different codecs (also try cleaning your
tape heads).

Capturing to MPEG1 or MPEG2 using the ATI capture program
provides a very small file. However I find the quality to
be unacceptable. Also, editing MPEG files on the timeline
is slower and the real-time preview does not work fast
enough (without pre-rendering).

My capture of choice is to AVI at 320x240 using the
standard UYVY codec (second choice is the ATI YV12 codec).
These files are easy to work with on the timeline.
Unfortunately, it only allows about 15 minutes of video
before you hit the 4 gig limitation on FAT32 file systems.

Then I render to DivX at the same resolution and highest
bit rate (this produces the best quality), or to the
standard VCD template for burning VCDs (lower quality). For
web videos, I use the wmv codec at 384kbs. Since VF does
not include this setting, I run the Windows Media Encoder
(downloadable from Microsoft) using the DivX file as the
source.