Print to tape problems

bruced wrote on 1/31/2001, 12:44 AM
System: Abit KA7-100 w Athlon 600mHZ (slot A, and VIA
chipset),128MB PC133 memory, Win98SE or Win2K (dual boot),
Leadtek GeforceMX2 DualHead nVidia (in single mode) 32MB
video card (have swicthed between newer drivers-Leadtek and
nVidia website drivers), WD20GB boot (7200rpm), Maxtor40GB
udma4 7200rpm video drive, Soundblaster live, Linksys
netcard, Western Digital 1394IEEE card (NEC chip), and a
Sony DCR-VX1000 camera. Firewire and NIC are sharing an
IRQ, and I can't seem to change this.
VideoFactor and Video Capture software, Jan of 2001 vintage.
Problem: I cannot seem to get this system to "Print to
tape". what I get is a highly garbled output, eg., highly
pixelated and with grey, squarish dropouts, no consitent
picture. This occures in Video Capture "print to camera
preview" and "print to tape" as well.
Test: the camera responds to computer commands as far
as device control, concerning forward, rewind, playback
with associated preview on computer and capture, like 3
seconds to 15 min (approx 4GB) and good playback on
computer with reasonable rendering parameters. In no way,
however, can I send a rendered clip (usually around 3
seconds or so, for time constraints) back to the camera.
Process: 1. Aquire video clip from camera to video
drive and save as is. 2. Open VideoFactory and import such
saved clip to timeline. 3. Select clip, and from File menu,
select Render as: choose NTSCDV setting to render as well
as many permutations of Custom Setting. Still same result =
dropouts and pixelated unacceptable output.
Tried 2 different cards: MovieDV Suite w/included
1394IEEE card, both their software and this software, on
the same card performed the same: pixelated grey dropouts
on output only. AIST Tech support = great(MovieDV) as I
actually talked to people on 3 separate occasions for 30min
or > no charge, (this in respect to a previous post about
Sonic Foundry's pay for service approach, which irks me
too), they, I'm sure becomming frustrated about my
situation, eventually siting compatability problems, even
though their web site showed my camera to pass. And the
current WD card, with VideoFactory only (no MovieDV trial,
as I had returned the card).
Called Sony to see if there had been some sort of chip
revision on the VX1000, but this was fruitless as was a
search of Sony's web site, not much to learn here. However,
I implored a friend, with a Sony laptop to allow me to
aquire video, and print back to tape, and such process was
successful leading me to believe, that it is software
related.
I do like the VideoFactory/Acid style interface, being
more intuitive to me (much better than MovieDV or even
Adobe Premier), and if successful, I intend to explore
Vegas, but before this, I must be able to "print to tape"
on my Sony VX1000.
Am I missing some simple thing here? Apparently not
given the amount of print to tape posts. This should be
much simpler than my experience.
Any help would be greatly appreciated as, like others,
I have spent many hours on this- I am even considering a
Sony laptop, and working via NIC between the 2 computers.
Thankyou, bruced


Comments

SonyEPM wrote on 1/31/2001, 8:43 AM
Bruce- 2 places to start:

1) You mentioned that you are modifying the NTSC DV
template by changing custom settings. Print to tape
scenarios require exact render settings and almost any
change can make the file non-compliant.

Try rendering to NTSC DV template, stock/no changes. This
should work. Try this first.

2) Unfortunately, there are also some issues with some Via
chipsets. Not all of the Vias work well with 1394. Start
here to find out more about this complex and evolving story:

.ASP>>

you can also search the microsoft knowledge base:

>, keywords "Via 1394"



Bruce Dick wrote:
>> System: Abit KA7-100 w Athlon 600mHZ (slot A, and
VIA
>>chipset),128MB PC133 memory, Win98SE or Win2K (dual
boot),
>>Leadtek GeforceMX2 DualHead nVidia (in single mode) 32MB
>>video card (have swicthed between newer drivers-Leadtek
and
>>nVidia website drivers), WD20GB boot (7200rpm),
Maxtor40GB
>>udma4 7200rpm video drive, Soundblaster live, Linksys
>>netcard, Western Digital 1394IEEE card (NEC chip), and a
>>Sony DCR-VX1000 camera. Firewire and NIC are sharing an
>>IRQ, and I can't seem to change this.
>>VideoFactor and Video Capture software, Jan of 2001
vintage.
>> Problem: I cannot seem to get this system to "Print
to
>>tape". what I get is a highly garbled output, eg., highly
>>pixelated and with grey, squarish dropouts, no consitent
>>picture. This occures in Video Capture "print to camera
>>preview" and "print to tape" as well.
>> Test: the camera responds to computer commands as far
>>as device control, concerning forward, rewind, playback
>>with associated preview on computer and capture, like 3
>>seconds to 15 min (approx 4GB) and good playback on
>>computer with reasonable rendering parameters. In no way,
>>however, can I send a rendered clip (usually around 3
>>seconds or so, for time constraints) back to the camera.
>> Process: 1. Aquire video clip from camera to video
>>drive and save as is. 2. Open VideoFactory and import
such
>>saved clip to timeline. 3. Select clip, and from File
menu,
>>select Render as: choose NTSCDV setting to render as well
>>as many permutations of Custom Setting. Still same result
=
>>dropouts and pixelated unacceptable output.
>> Tried 2 different cards: MovieDV Suite w/included
>>1394IEEE card, both their software and this software, on
>>the same card performed the same: pixelated grey dropouts
>>on output only. AIST Tech support = great(MovieDV) as I
>>actually talked to people on 3 separate occasions for
30min
>>or > no charge, (this in respect to a previous post about
>>Sonic Foundry's pay for service approach, which irks me
>>too), they, I'm sure becomming frustrated about my
>>situation, eventually siting compatability problems, even
>>though their web site showed my camera to pass. And the
>>current WD card, with VideoFactory only (no MovieDV
trial,
>>as I had returned the card).
>> Called Sony to see if there had been some sort of
chip
>>revision on the VX1000, but this was fruitless as was a
>>search of Sony's web site, not much to learn here.
However,
>>I implored a friend, with a Sony laptop to allow me to
>>aquire video, and print back to tape, and such process
was
>>successful leading me to believe, that it is software
>>related.
>> I do like the VideoFactory/Acid style interface,
being
>>more intuitive to me (much better than MovieDV or even
>>Adobe Premier), and if successful, I intend to explore
>>Vegas, but before this, I must be able to "print to tape"
>>on my Sony VX1000.
>> Am I missing some simple thing here? Apparently not
>>given the amount of print to tape posts. This should be
>>much simpler than my experience.
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated as, like
others,
>>I have spent many hours on this- I am even considering a
>>Sony laptop, and working via NIC between the 2 computers.
>> Thankyou, bruced
>>
>>
>>
bruced wrote on 2/1/2001, 1:17 AM


Dave Hill wrote:
>>Bruce- 2 places to start:
>>
>>1) You mentioned that you are modifying the NTSC DV
>>template by changing custom settings. Print to tape
>>scenarios require exact render settings and almost any
>>change can make the file non-compliant.
>>
>>Try rendering to NTSC DV template, stock/no changes. This
>>should work. Try this first.
>>
>>2) Unfortunately, there are also some issues with some
Via
>>chipsets. Not all of the Vias work well with 1394. Start
>>here to find out more about this complex and evolving
story:
>>
>> 52
>>.ASP>>
>>
>>you can also search the microsoft knowledge base:
>>
>>>, keywords "Via
1394"
>>
>>
>>
>>Bruce Dick wrote:
>>>> System: Abit KA7-100 w Athlon 600mHZ (slot A, and
>>VIA
>>>>chipset),128MB PC133 memory, Win98SE or Win2K (dual
>>boot),
>>>>Leadtek GeforceMX2 DualHead nVidia (in single mode)
32MB
>>>>video card (have swicthed between newer drivers-Leadtek
>>and
>>>>nVidia website drivers), WD20GB boot (7200rpm),
>>Maxtor40GB
>>>>udma4 7200rpm video drive, Soundblaster live, Linksys
>>>>netcard, Western Digital 1394IEEE card (NEC chip), and
a
>>>>Sony DCR-VX1000 camera. Firewire and NIC are sharing an
>>>>IRQ, and I can't seem to change this.
>>>>VideoFactor and Video Capture software, Jan of 2001
>>vintage.
>>>> Problem: I cannot seem to get this system
to "Print
>>to
>>>>tape". what I get is a highly garbled output, eg.,
highly
>>>>pixelated and with grey, squarish dropouts, no
consitent
>>>>picture. This occures in Video Capture "print to camera
>>>>preview" and "print to tape" as well.
>>>> Test: the camera responds to computer commands as
far
>>>>as device control, concerning forward, rewind, playback
>>>>with associated preview on computer and capture, like 3
>>>>seconds to 15 min (approx 4GB) and good playback on
>>>>computer with reasonable rendering parameters. In no
way,
>>>>however, can I send a rendered clip (usually around 3
>>>>seconds or so, for time constraints) back to the camera.
>>>> Process: 1. Aquire video clip from camera to video
>>>>drive and save as is. 2. Open VideoFactory and import
>>such
>>>>saved clip to timeline. 3. Select clip, and from File
>>menu,
>>>>select Render as: choose NTSCDV setting to render as
well
>>>>as many permutations of Custom Setting. Still same
result
>>=
>>>>dropouts and pixelated unacceptable output.
>>>> Tried 2 different cards: MovieDV Suite w/included
>>>>1394IEEE card, both their software and this software,
on
>>>>the same card performed the same: pixelated grey
dropouts
>>>>on output only. AIST Tech support = great(MovieDV) as I
>>>>actually talked to people on 3 separate occasions for
>>30min
>>>>or > no charge, (this in respect to a previous post
about
>>>>Sonic Foundry's pay for service approach, which irks me
>>>>too), they, I'm sure becomming frustrated about my
>>>>situation, eventually siting compatability problems,
even
>>>>though their web site showed my camera to pass. And the
>>>>current WD card, with VideoFactory only (no MovieDV
>>trial,
>>>>as I had returned the card).
>>>> Called Sony to see if there had been some sort of
>>chip
>>>>revision on the VX1000, but this was fruitless as was a
>>>>search of Sony's web site, not much to learn here.
>>However,
>>>>I implored a friend, with a Sony laptop to allow me to
>>>>aquire video, and print back to tape, and such process
>>was
>>>>successful leading me to believe, that it is software
>>>>related.
>>>> I do like the VideoFactory/Acid style interface,
>>being
>>>>more intuitive to me (much better than MovieDV or even
>>>>Adobe Premier), and if successful, I intend to explore
>>>>Vegas, but before this, I must be able to "print to
tape"
>>>>on my Sony VX1000.
>>>> Am I missing some simple thing here? Apparently not
>>>>given the amount of print to tape posts. This should be
>>>>much simpler than my experience.
>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated as, like
>>others,
>>>>I have spent many hours on this- I am even considering
a
>>>>Sony laptop, and working via NIC between the 2
computers.
>>>> Thankyou, bruced
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Dave,
Actually, I tried the NTSC DV setting first as stated
in my post, no luck, but the second suggestion is more
important. I did not even think that the VIA chipset would
be the problem as I purchased the Abit KA7-100 board less
than 6 months ago, along with an Abit BX133 Raid board, so
(I read after my post about the VIA problem), I put the
firewire card in the Abit BX133 board and Voila, it
performed as expected. I will go to MS about the 1394 VIA
problem, as well as Abit and VIA. I am irritated as this
problem cost me about 20hrs trouble shooting(or more
considering the DPS Spark+ card in prior to the current
cards-which is why I bought the currnet cards), and the
return of 2, 1394 cards which probably worked fine. If this
VIA problem is widespread, then I think an apology from VIA
is called for.
Thankyou, bruced