Problem with Fireiwre HD

asafb wrote on 11/2/2002, 12:21 PM
Everytime I render to AVI or MPEG2 from the Vegas Timeline, after about 30 minutes, it stops and says "Delayed Write Failed... on the bottom right corner of the Windows XP screen, and then it stops.

Do I have a defective HD

I also tried TRANSFERRING the data from the firewire hard drive to my local hard drive, but it stops after about 30% into it.

Comments

Tyler.Durden wrote on 11/2/2002, 12:34 PM
Hi Asaf,

Could you post your system specs and the FW drive info...

Also, do you have trouble transferring using windows-explorer between the FW drive and the internal drive (not using Vegas)?

Any trouble capturing to the FW drive?

MPH
asafb wrote on 11/2/2002, 2:43 PM
yes yes yes transferring using windows-explorer the same problem! Like it stops!!

anyway to verify it?

EZQUEST 80+ COBRA HD
Tyler.Durden wrote on 11/2/2002, 4:57 PM
I really don't know...

I would give EZQ a call out on the coast: 714-694-0031

HTH, MPH

sidprice wrote on 11/2/2002, 5:23 PM
I had a similar problem under Win2K, I ended up returning the drive for credit an dgetting a different brand. Sorry I don't remember what the problem drive was,

:o(
Sid
Laurence wrote on 11/3/2002, 9:35 AM
That error message "delayed write ..." is because Windows has unmounted your firewire hard drive. I've had the same problem and returned the drive. In retrospect though, I don't think that the drive was defective. I think that what happened is that the drive got fragmented to the point that reads and writes were taking longer than the available buffering could handle, and that the OS just got confused and unmounted the drive. Try defragging your drive, even if it takes several attempts, and see if that helps.

Laurence Kingston
BillyBoy wrote on 11/3/2002, 5:15 PM
I've totally given up on all firewire drives. Check search for details on my Maxtor 80 external problems. Not only does Windows unmount at firewire drives at random times for no good apparent reason, the cheap interface card inside causes repeated boot failure after some use due to poor design.

I just took my Maxtor 80 firewire drive out of its case (broke warranty, but have three replacements I doubt I'd get a fourth), and put it in a external dockable portable case that allows the drive to run off the internal power of your PC and I've never looked back.

Not only more a far better interface, MUCH cheaper. Not surprising the drives inside the firwire case are just plane Jane IDE drives. So you're paying a huge premium for a cheesy interface that's sure to fail if you drag it around a lot which I did. :-(
asafb wrote on 11/3/2002, 6:08 PM
Wait, you're telling me I can break the firewire case and put it into my computer INSIDE? Holy moly! :)
BillyBoy wrote on 11/3/2002, 6:56 PM
Sure. In fact the only seal on the Maxtor I had was... are you ready.... a piece of duck tape and a couple screws on the inside over the tin cover covering the little cheesy interface card. Total value in parts, about $2. Yuck! Talk about "quality" control. LOL!

I assume other brands are pretty much the same. The drive itself is probably fine. The Maxtor just had a push-on IDE connector on one end, with hard wired IEEE 1394 on the other which connects to the outside world, nothing to unsolder, the drive itself is regular stock in every way and has been happy humming along in my PC for about 9 months already without any more "problems" at all.

When pushed the tech at Matrox finally admitted they had tons of complaints and the drive isn't designed as a "portable" rather a "external" meaning you're just to leave it sit, not lug it around. They changed the advertising on the box. I had the original, not what it said. It was originally sold as a "portable" which I would think was the main reason anyone would buy one considering how pricy they first were.

A good case of "buyer beware". I never lost any data on the three drives, always was the stupid interface card that failed, not the drive itself, but it sure seemed the drive was dead, until I said the hell with it, I'm going to open the case.

Kind of like that 'don't remove under plenty of law' on those mattress tags. LOL!
asafb wrote on 11/3/2002, 8:02 PM
well mine is a cobra so the case is a pain ... i don't know if i have to unsolder something or not... well,?
earthrisers wrote on 11/4/2002, 12:23 PM
Hi, folks.
I had that same error message (about unable to do the delayed write to drive) repeatedly yesterday, using a USB-2 external hard drive.
I was trying to render a piece of about 15 minutes, which included segments having fairly complicated keyframed effects. Failed every time.
I finally broke the piece up into shorter parts and rendered the parts separately. That "fixed" the problem. Now I need to sequence those rendered clips, to render my full piece as originally intended. I'm anticipating (and hoping) that I won't have problems this time around, because no re-rendering will be necessary, except for minor fairly simple crossfades between the pre-rendered parts.
Ernie
FuTz wrote on 11/4/2002, 5:57 PM
Did anybody ever tried these ADSTech FireWire cases that allow you to put any IDE unit inside and drive it thru a FireWire port? What were the results?
I'm referring to this product:
http://www.adstech.com/products/PYRO1394DriveKit/intro/API800intro.asp?pid=API-800

Any comment/advice?
asafb wrote on 11/4/2002, 8:51 PM
futz, don't do it, firewire causes a lot of problems.
Tyler.Durden wrote on 11/4/2002, 9:08 PM
I use a WD120GB in an ADS external case with zero problems.

HTH, MPH
RichR wrote on 11/4/2002, 11:57 PM
The only problem I've encountered , and it's not really a problem, is I have to reboot when I take the drive from one computer to another. Other than that my
WD 120 gig works fine. Are the drives you're having trouble with 5400rpm drives?
Laurence wrote on 11/5/2002, 8:59 AM
What are you guys formatting your firewire drives with? Fat32? NTFS? Maxtor drives come preformatted with Fat32 which really isn't that great for working with larger video files.

Laurence Kingston
BillyBoy wrote on 11/5/2002, 9:35 AM
You can reformat the Maxtor firewire any way you like. All that's inside is a regular drive.
salad wrote on 11/5/2002, 6:00 PM
"........I have to reboot when I take the drive from one computer to another."
What's up with that? What OS are U running?

Yeah, those little bridge board interface cards are most of the price of a 1394 enclosure.
You can always construct your own enclosure, or go with an "internal firewire" drive solution.....by purchasing just the bridge board:

http://www.granitedigital.com/catalog/pg19_firewirebridgeboards.htm

kirkdickinson wrote on 12/21/2002, 11:43 PM
I am getting a similar error message when capturing to an IDE RAID 0 array. (promise controller chip on mobo)

First got the error while capturing video in VV, and now get it everytime I try to copy any file that is large to that drive letter. The wierd thing about it is that I can open a large image file in Photoshop and edit/save with no problems. I just cannot copy to that drive without getting that error.

Still haven't figured out what is up with it.

Kirk
Sab wrote on 12/22/2002, 1:00 AM
Yes, we have the ADS unit and it works flawlessly with our laptop using firewire. It gets heavy use. We're even able to hook up a digital camera to it and capture video and also print to DV tape through it. Fortunately, we've not had some of the errors reported here, at least so far any way.

The biggest pain is plugging and unplugging the power supply every time it's moved.

Mike
JackHughs wrote on 12/23/2002, 10:31 AM
This may or may not be helpful. I'm not the brightest light on the tree when it comes to to technical stuff. However, I read someplace that NTFS (Win 2000) cannot create FAT 32 volumes greater than 32 Gigs. Microsoft provided for backwards compatibility but placed some limitations to discourage ongoing use of FAT 32.

So, if your Firewire drive is pre-formatted with FAT 32, and you're using an OS newer than Win 98, then perhaps you have a file allocation conflict. I say perhaps because I really don't know.

JackHughs
BrianStanding wrote on 12/23/2002, 10:44 AM
Hey guys.

Like you, I have a WD 120GB 7200 RPM(8mb buffer) in an ADS Pyro firewire drive kit on an ADS Pyro card. When editing in Vegas, I keep gettin an "unable to mix audio" error on playback. I've had no problems editing on this f/w drive in Premiere with my old Raptor.

Do or did you have this problem? If so, how did you fix it?

Thanks in advance.

Tyler.Durden wrote on 12/23/2002, 3:20 PM
Hi BStanding,

I have only experienced the problem once or twice in the past year. I may have resolved the issue by reducing the other applications running at the time. I may also have made more space, I don't recall exactly. ( Sony Vaio, WinME, PIII-750, 512MB)


HTH, MPH