Problem with Markers made in VMS m2ts file then into DVDA iso.

rondi wrote on 7/29/2017, 4:08 PM

I'm using the latest VMS & DVDA. In VMS I insert a Marker very close to the end of a 3 minute file, and Save it as AVCHD 1920x1080-60i 10mbps AC3 2ch 192k. I drag it into DVDA, and when I Navigate Into the file--I see it on the Timeline--I can drag it, rename--so it is really there. When I Prepare it and then look at the m2ts file (using RAR to extract the iso file) there is no Marker there.

Is it really there--but not visible to me (My BD player does not Skip to it)? Is there a restriction how far from the end of file it needs to be? Or what the minimum bit rate is? I ask these last questions, because these files are 10mbps BD. I want my friends who don't want to watch/listen to the whole thing--to be able to return to the Menu quickly, vice listening, or FF to the end. FWIW--it also happens with VMS 11 & DVDA 5.

edit: If in VMS I save it as an mpg file (for a DVD vs BD) and open the file in WMP, it does skip to the Marker. So I'm probably not setting an option or something correctly--but what is it?

 

Ron

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Steve Grisetti wrote on 7/30/2017, 8:05 AM

When you output your video from Vegas Movie Studio, did you check the option to include markers in your video? I've created a YouTube video that shows you how, if you're interested.

rondi wrote on 7/30/2017, 9:43 AM

Thanks Steve for the reply. Yes I have it checked. I do almost the same as your video--except in VMS I use the AVCHD for a BluRay vs a DVD, as mentioned above, to save it as a m2ts file. It is saved when I look at the preview screen in DVDA--BUT the Marker is NOT saved when I render it. In DVDA If I click Preview and play the video, and click Next on the "remote" it does in fact jump to the marker.

The problem is in the DVDA render for a BluRay.

Ron

Steve Grisetti wrote on 7/31/2017, 7:21 AM

What happens if, on DVD Architect's timeline, you select the option to Import Scene Markers?

rondi wrote on 7/31/2017, 11:30 AM

Steve thanks--I am using DVDA build 67, not Pro. Perhaps there is a difference here--I do not have a Import Scene Markers. In DVDA I see the marker, it's orange Scene/Chapter Marker flag above the timeline, and the name (end) I gave it. I deleted and right clicked the timeline and Insert Chapter Marker which has a grey flag. I labeled it and did a Make Blu-ray/Prepare. Same thing--no marker at the end.

Perhaps I do not understand the minimum requirements for adding a Marker in DVDA:
1. My individual music video files are each about 3-4 minutes long and each will be selected by a text Icon in a menu.
2. I am placing the marker about a second or 2 from the end of the file. If I move to the 2 minute mark--if still does not show up.
3. Maybe DVDA specs will not produce a Blu-ray .ios file with a Marker in a short file. Maybe DVDA is looking for a break on the timeline (ie a 2nd file added) to allow a Marker to be placed--using a short file.

As mentioned the Marker is clearly visible on DVDA Timeline. I can slide it, rename it, etc. It's really there immediately before I Make Blu-ray/Prepare. I am not burning a disc at this time--just saving the .iso. I extract the iso using WinRAR and play the BDMV/Stream--m2ts file.

Ron

Former user wrote on 7/31/2017, 1:02 PM

I don't think DVDA embeds the markers in the video stream. Vegas can, but I don't think DVDA does.

rondi wrote on 7/31/2017, 2:24 PM

David--when I did the same thing, albeit with DVDA Properties set to a DVD vs Blu-ray, DVDA included the Marker at the same place I had on the Timeline with the Blu-ray try.

When you say Vegas are you referring to Pro?

Former user wrote on 7/31/2017, 3:48 PM

If the marker was placed in Vegas and you ticked save markers. it is loaded into DVDA when you load the file. It is no necesarily embedded in video file, it is a sidecar file with marker information. Yes, I am referring to Pro. I know the markers are saved in some file formats in Vegas, but DVDA does not save them in the file. If you load the ISO in a bluray player (software or standalone) it should find the chapters.

rondi wrote on 8/2/2017, 12:12 PM

In VMS when I place the marker--it has a flag & name up on the timeline--iow above the tracks. After the file is saved & looked at in VMS, the marker appears to be "embedded" in the video & audio track. It has the assigned name, but I can not delete, move or rename it. It has no flag and fully contained in the 2 tracks--not up high on the timeline. Once that same file is in DVDA the marker looks like the original marker when placed in VMS--iow High up on the timeline and it can be deleted, moved and renamed.

The .iso file does not have the .sfl or .sfk file in any of the BDMV folders. So are you saying, without those files in BDMV/STREAM folder--there will be no Chapter Markers? This seems a VERY shortcoming of DVDA. As mentioned--it is supported in a DVD--not Blu-ray. Is there a setting or option I am not checking for this to happen?

Ron

Former user wrote on 8/2/2017, 12:37 PM

I guess we need to start near the beginning. When you make your Bluray disc, are your chapters not working?

rondi wrote on 8/2/2017, 2:34 PM

I will keep this simple and just answer your questions.

Not in the way I want them to. I have approx 4min videos and I want to place a Marker a second or so before the end--so that when a person presses the Next button on the remote it will play about a second and return to the Menu.

Ron

Former user wrote on 8/2/2017, 3:20 PM

So you have placed the marker at that point, made a Disk but it doesn't work?

rondi wrote on 8/2/2017, 10:17 PM

The markers do not work. When I press Next on the remote--an on screen Pop-Up says "Operation not allowed". The Next Key works with commercial BD's.

I completely redid the 4 files. I opened the original Handbraked mp4 files, edited them, add the single Marker about a second from the end, gave then each a unique name and Rendered them. I opened each .sfl file and verified the the Marker name was there--it was.

After VMS rendered them, I drug them onto the default Menu screen of DVDA. I could see the flags and names in each file.

After the DVDA Prepare, I extracted the .iso file and open 2 files in VMS (no marker) and opened it in Windows Media Player--the >>| (next) was greyed out.

The individual files play fine, but the Next does not go to the end. TopMenu button will take me to the menu which I want to go to.

Hopefully you can see something I am doing wrong. I really ap[appreciate you taking time to help me. If you want pix--I'll be happy to take screen shots and post them on Dropbox--I don't know how to post them here.

BTW--I have pressed Cont/Shift and opened DVDA to reset everything to Default.

Ron

set wrote on 8/3/2017, 12:05 AM

I leave my the end markers 1.5 seconds before end. Not exact ending.

Forgot with BD, whether it is the same 1.5 seconds or longer one (2.5).

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rondi wrote on 8/3/2017, 1:27 PM

Thanks set for the help--that appears to be my problem. I changed all the markers in VMS to 3 sec before the end. I will reduce the time and see what the minimum is and I'll post back. I do not see the marker in the .iso .m2ts files, nor are there any other files in the Stream folder. When I open the file in VMS there is no marker there.

imho--VMS should also warn when a Marker is too close to the end--It does warn when you try to place a marker within 1 sec of another.

Thanks again,
Ron

set wrote on 8/3/2017, 5:53 PM

If I remember, Rendering to AVC Blu-Ray didn't bring the markers. Yes... That's the issue... but since my workflow also making DVDs, my strategy is authoring the DVD version first... then after successful, save as new DVDA, and change all clips to AVC BD format.

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rondi wrote on 8/23/2017, 10:25 AM

Well the problem is solved--exactly why I don't know. Now I can:
In VMS I add markers to within 1sec from the end. I render using the above (the original) AVC, the Markers are carried to DVDA and can be moved from 2 sec to 1 sec with no problem.

Thanks for the help--this is solved

Steve Grisetti wrote on 8/24/2017, 7:07 AM

You have a scene marker 1 second before the end of your movie? Why?

rondi wrote on 8/24/2017, 10:05 AM

The videos are the same song, performed by different bands. I wanted a way for a friend to listen and if they did not want to listen to the whole song--to hit Next and basically go back to the menu--not to the next song. I don't know of another way to go to the menu among different players.

Steve Grisetti wrote on 8/25/2017, 7:09 AM

But why would a viewer want to jump to link to a one-second movie?

rondi wrote on 8/25/2017, 10:14 AM

Steve--Tell me--How else could I change my file to return to the main menu by pressing Next?
1 sec is virtually the end--it takes my BD Player 5 secs to return to the menu.

Former user wrote on 8/25/2017, 11:31 PM

I wouldn't think to push NEXT to return to menu, I would use the MENU button, but if your viewers are used to this, there is nothing wrong with your approach. You could possibly use a DVD Script to do it to avoid the chapter mark.