Problems With Vegas

gabriel wrote on 1/23/2001, 2:07 PM
Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been considering
purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends who
use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)

I'm posting this because I know there must be at least a
few people in my situation who share my frustrations.

Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic Foundry
product or to receive free technical support.

I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled with a
Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide once and
for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
matter I'd been debating for weeks.

Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro even
converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know into
a technohead who swears by Vegas!

Well, I installed the software and was more than a little
dissappointed.

Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo wave
file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled results.
Adding a second track made the distortion quite severe.
Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down trying
to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.

My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be able
to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.

I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC RAM.
Operating systems, applications, swap files,
and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar drives,
with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160 drive
capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!

Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of digital
audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back these
two tracks. Further, these other applications can easily
handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with no
problems.

Only Vegas had problems.

I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on the
status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a clue,
but there were no such meters to be found. The status
bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These meters are
clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and are
clearly described in the documentation, but I don't have
them.

Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their taskbar.
Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas' taskbar?
It's in the screen shots...

Following suggestions in the documentation, I adjusted
the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-ins or
other applications were running and only core services were
running.

Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256 colors),
the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to 800X600
eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to play
back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
applications work flawlessly with my usual display
settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem did
nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.

I rebooted the system and tried to record something. Vegas
responded with an error message stating "the device
specified in use by another application." There were no
other applications running. I examined all the background
processes running on the system--there was nothing that
would be using any of my sound hardware's resources. No
apps were running invisibly in the background, no anti-
virus, no power power management routines--nothing.

By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to record
a single track of garbled audio. For a moment, I thought
it was only garbled because of playback problems, but
saving the digital audio to a file and examining it with
cool edit revealed that Vegas was indeed garbling the
sound during the recording process.

I've read all available documentation, adjusted every
setting, consulted with other Vegas audio users I know,
reconfigured my system various ways, un-installed and
re-installed drivers, applications, and even the operating
system and after four days, no one has been able to make
Vegas work or even explain why it doesn't. No one can
explain the missing RAM and Disk meters, either.

I am not willing to pay more than $20.00 or so to have a
technician troubleshoot an issue that has already been so
thoroughly investigated by myself and several friends (I
am a technician, incidentally, as are most of my
associates.) that finding a solution is highly unlikely.

The product, although highly touted by several people I
know and whose opinions I respect, doesn't work for me.

Has anyone else had numerous or similar inexplicable
problems with Vegas? Does anyone know if these problems
are related to the bundled Vegas packages only? Has
anyone had these problems with a retail version? Should I
buy Vegas Pro or cut my losses and stick with other
apps?

If anyone has opinions regarding anything in this
posting or if anyone else is experiencing these
problems, please reply. I can't believe I'm the only
one.

Sincerely,
Gabriel

Comments

ACE5 wrote on 1/23/2001, 2:48 PM
HI
just a comment from another Midiman delta 1010 user.
Actually I am really satisfied with my setup and I am not
even running the minimum system requirement.
My setup is
Vegas audio 2.0b
Windows 98
350 mhz AMD
Midiman delta 1010
7200 rpm IBM ide
32mb graphic
I am able to playback 13-14 tracks filled with audio before
my cpu asks for mercy. I can see on the diskmeter that my
harddrive is capable of more.
I know it is not much of a help But just take it as an
example that it can work

Gabriel wrote:
>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been considering
>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends who
>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>
>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at least a
>>few people in my situation who share my frustrations.
>>
>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic Foundry
>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>
>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled with a
>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide once and
>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>
>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro even
>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know into
>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>
>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a little
>>dissappointed.
>>
>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo wave
>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled results.
>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite severe.
>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down trying
>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>
>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be able
>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>
>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC RAM.
>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar drives,
>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160 drive
>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>
>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of digital
>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back these
>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can easily
>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with no
>>problems.
>>
>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>
>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on the
>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a clue,
>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These meters
are
>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and are
>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't have
>>them.
>>
>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their taskbar.
>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas' taskbar?
>>It's in the screen shots...
>>
>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I adjusted
>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-ins or
>>other applications were running and only core services
were
>>running.
>>
>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256 colors),
>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to 800X600
>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to play
>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
>>Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem did
>>nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.
>>
>>I rebooted the system and tried to record something.
Vegas
>>responded with an error message stating "the device
>>specified in use by another application." There were no
>>other applications running. I examined all the background
>>processes running on the system--there was nothing that
>>would be using any of my sound hardware's resources. No
>>apps were running invisibly in the background, no anti-
>>virus, no power power management routines--nothing.
>>
>>By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to record
>>a single track of garbled audio. For a moment, I thought
>>it was only garbled because of playback problems, but
>>saving the digital audio to a file and examining it with
>>cool edit revealed that Vegas was indeed garbling the
>>sound during the recording process.
>>
>>I've read all available documentation, adjusted every
>>setting, consulted with other Vegas audio users I know,
>>reconfigured my system various ways, un-installed and
>>re-installed drivers, applications, and even the operating
>>system and after four days, no one has been able to make
>>Vegas work or even explain why it doesn't. No one can
>>explain the missing RAM and Disk meters, either.
>>
>>I am not willing to pay more than $20.00 or so to have a
>>technician troubleshoot an issue that has already been so
>>thoroughly investigated by myself and several friends (I
>>am a technician, incidentally, as are most of my
>>associates.) that finding a solution is highly unlikely.
>>
>>The product, although highly touted by several people I
>>know and whose opinions I respect, doesn't work for me.
>>
>>Has anyone else had numerous or similar inexplicable
>>problems with Vegas? Does anyone know if these problems
>>are related to the bundled Vegas packages only? Has
>>anyone had these problems with a retail version? Should I
>>buy Vegas Pro or cut my losses and stick with other
>>apps?
>>
>>If anyone has opinions regarding anything in this
>>posting or if anyone else is experiencing these
>>problems, please reply. I can't believe I'm the only
>>one.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Gabriel
Rednroll wrote on 1/23/2001, 4:36 PM
First of all, you won't need to purchase Vegas Pro, as an
upgrade. That will actually be a down grade. Seeing that
you are a new user, I can understand the confusion. Sonic
Foundry's marketing team (if they have one) should be shot
for this, and all Vegas Pro Software should be pulled off
the shelves. The latest version of Vegas Pro is Version
1.0b. The upgrades that spawned off of Vegas Pro, was
Vegas Audio 2.0a and Vegas Video 2.0a. These have all the
same features as Vegas Pro plus additional features....thus
the version number 2.0...note, there is not a Vegas Audio
v1.0...the 1.0 version is Vegas Pro. The lastest Versions
of Vegas are Vegas Audio v2.0b and Vegas Video v2.0b. If
Sonic Foundry really didn't want to confuse everyone by
releasing 2 upgrades with different features they probably
should have named them Vegas Pro (Audio) 2.0 and Vegas Pro
(Video) 2.0.

Now as far as your problems you're having as far as audio.
There are a lot of users on this forum who use the Delta
1010 with much success with Vegas Audio 2.0. Your system
also seems plenty fast enough for vegas and exceeds the
minimal requirements, except that vegas does need windows
98 SE if you're running 98. First of all make sure that
you are using Version 2.0b of Vegas Audio, goto the
downloads section if you're not and upgrade. Also, what
video card are you using on your PC, Vegas must have an
OHCI compliant video card installed on your system. I
would make sure you're using the latest drivers for your
video card also along with the latest drivers for the 1010.

As far as the Ram and Cpu usage meters, they originally
released Vegas Audio with those intact like it shows in the
manual, but ran into problems with them not being accurate,
so they opted to do without them in the final release. So
that's why they appear in the manual and not in the
software itself. Vegas Pro does have these indicators, but
like I said, Vegas Pro is actually a downgrade from Vegas
Audio.

Good luck,
Brian Franz

Christian wrote:
>>HI
>>just a comment from another Midiman delta 1010 user.
>>Actually I am really satisfied with my setup and I am not
>>even running the minimum system requirement.
>>My setup is
>>Vegas audio 2.0b
>>Windows 98
>>350 mhz AMD
>>Midiman delta 1010
>>7200 rpm IBM ide
>>32mb graphic
>>I am able to playback 13-14 tracks filled with audio
before
>>my cpu asks for mercy. I can see on the diskmeter that my
>>harddrive is capable of more.
>>I know it is not much of a help But just take it as an
>>example that it can work
>>
>>Gabriel wrote:
>>>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been
considering
>>>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends
who
>>>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>>>
>>>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at least a
>>>>few people in my situation who share my frustrations.
>>>>
>>>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic Foundry
>>>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>>>
>>>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled with a
>>>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide once
and
>>>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>>>
>>>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro
even
>>>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know
into
>>>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>>>
>>>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a
little
>>>>dissappointed.
>>>>
>>>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo
wave
>>>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled results.
>>>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite severe.
>>>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down
trying
>>>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>>>
>>>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be
able
>>>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>>>
>>>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC RAM.
>>>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar drives,
>>>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160 drive
>>>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>>>
>>>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of
digital
>>>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back
these
>>>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can
easily
>>>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with no
>>>>problems.
>>>>
>>>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>>>
>>>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on the
>>>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a clue,
>>>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These meters
>>are
>>>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and
are
>>>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't have
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their taskbar.
>>>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas' taskbar?
>>>>It's in the screen shots...
>>>>
>>>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I adjusted
>>>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-ins
or
>>>>other applications were running and only core services
>>were
>>>>running.
>>>>
>>>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256 colors),
>>>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to 800X600
>>>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to play
>>>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>>>settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
>>>>Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem did
>>>>nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.
>>>>
>>>>I rebooted the system and tried to record something.
>>Vegas
>>>>responded with an error message stating "the device
>>>>specified in use by another application." There were
no
>>>>other applications running. I examined all the
background
>>>>processes running on the system--there was nothing that
>>>>would be using any of my sound hardware's resources. No
>>>>apps were running invisibly in the background, no anti-
>>>>virus, no power power management routines--nothing.
>>>>
>>>>By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to record
>>>>a single track of garbled audio. For a moment, I
thought
>>>>it was only garbled because of playback problems, but
>>>>saving the digital audio to a file and examining it with
>>>>cool edit revealed that Vegas was indeed garbling the
>>>>sound during the recording process.
>>>>
>>>>I've read all available documentation, adjusted every
>>>>setting, consulted with other Vegas audio users I know,
>>>>reconfigured my system various ways, un-installed and
>>>>re-installed drivers, applications, and even the
operating
>>>>system and after four days, no one has been able to make
>>>>Vegas work or even explain why it doesn't. No one can
>>>>explain the missing RAM and Disk meters, either.
>>>>
>>>>I am not willing to pay more than $20.00 or so to have a
>>>>technician troubleshoot an issue that has already been
so
>>>>thoroughly investigated by myself and several friends (I
>>>>am a technician, incidentally, as are most of my
>>>>associates.) that finding a solution is highly unlikely.
>>>>
>>>>The product, although highly touted by several people I
>>>>know and whose opinio
gabriel wrote on 1/23/2001, 8:59 PM
I can't thank you enough for the information!

I had no idea Vegas Pro was an EARLIER generation of
software! (I wondered why the version numbers were all
1.x.)

An amusing sidenote: When I bought my Delta 1010, the
package including the newer Vegas Audio software was
$100.00 cheaper than the package containing Vegas Pro
--the only difference was the bundled software!

I'm running Vegas on an NT platform (pity there's not
a version for Linux or BeOS) with Service Pack 6a; however,
my version of Vegas is 2.0a--not 2.0b! This may prove to
be quite a signifigant detail. I'll upgrade to version
2.0b and see if that works.

I'm using an 8MB Matrox Millenium G200-based PCI display
adapter with the latest driver. (I never need to do any
3-D rendering.)

OHCI compliance shouldn't be an issue since I don't have
any OHCI devices (no video capture device). (OHCI is an
interface standard for host controllers, primarily for
IEEE 1394 and USB busses.)

I'm also using the latest driver for the Delta 1010.

Thank you so much for explaining why I don't have those
meters! My other friends were stumped--they had meters
--but they were also using earlier software!

I'm going to upgrade to version 2.0b and see if that
solves the problem. If not, there's always Cubase VST,
Logic Audio, and several versions of Cakewalk--none of
which have ever given me any trouble.

Thanks again!


--Gabriel


Brian Franz wrote:
>>First of all, you won't need to purchase Vegas Pro, as an
>>upgrade. That will actually be a down grade. Seeing
that
>>you are a new user, I can understand the confusion.
Sonic
>>Foundry's marketing team (if they have one) should be
shot
>>for this, and all Vegas Pro Software should be pulled off
>>the shelves. The latest version of Vegas Pro is Version
>>1.0b. The upgrades that spawned off of Vegas Pro, was
>>Vegas Audio 2.0a and Vegas Video 2.0a. These have all
the
>>same features as Vegas Pro plus additional
features....thus
>>the version number 2.0...note, there is not a Vegas Audio
>>v1.0...the 1.0 version is Vegas Pro. The lastest
Versions
>>of Vegas are Vegas Audio v2.0b and Vegas Video v2.0b. If
>>Sonic Foundry really didn't want to confuse everyone by
>>releasing 2 upgrades with different features they
probably
>>should have named them Vegas Pro (Audio) 2.0 and Vegas
Pro
>>(Video) 2.0.
>>
>>Now as far as your problems you're having as far as
audio.
>>There are a lot of users on this forum who use the Delta
>>1010 with much success with Vegas Audio 2.0. Your system
>>also seems plenty fast enough for vegas and exceeds the
>>minimal requirements, except that vegas does need windows
>>98 SE if you're running 98. First of all make sure that
>>you are using Version 2.0b of Vegas Audio, goto the
>>downloads section if you're not and upgrade. Also, what
>>video card are you using on your PC, Vegas must have an
>>OHCI compliant video card installed on your system. I
>>would make sure you're using the latest drivers for your
>>video card also along with the latest drivers for the
1010.
>>
>>As far as the Ram and Cpu usage meters, they originally
>>released Vegas Audio with those intact like it shows in
the
>>manual, but ran into problems with them not being
accurate,
>>so they opted to do without them in the final release.
So
>>that's why they appear in the manual and not in the
>>software itself. Vegas Pro does have these indicators,
but
>>like I said, Vegas Pro is actually a downgrade from Vegas
>>Audio.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>Brian Franz
>>
>>Christian wrote:
>>>>HI
>>>>just a comment from another Midiman delta 1010 user.
>>>>Actually I am really satisfied with my setup and I am
not
>>>>even running the minimum system requirement.
>>>>My setup is
>>>>Vegas audio 2.0b
>>>>Windows 98
>>>>350 mhz AMD
>>>>Midiman delta 1010
>>>>7200 rpm IBM ide
>>>>32mb graphic
>>>>I am able to playback 13-14 tracks filled with audio
>>before
>>>>my cpu asks for mercy. I can see on the diskmeter that
my
>>>>harddrive is capable of more.
>>>>I know it is not much of a help But just take it as an
>>>>example that it can work
>>>>
>>>>Gabriel wrote:
>>>>>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>>>>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been
>>considering
>>>>>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends
>>who
>>>>>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at
least a
>>>>>>few people in my situation who share my
frustrations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>>>>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic
Foundry
>>>>>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled
with a
>>>>>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>>>>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide
once
>>and
>>>>>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>>>>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>>>>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro
>>even
>>>>>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know
>>into
>>>>>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a
>>little
>>>>>>dissappointed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo
>>wave
>>>>>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled
results.
>>>>>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite
severe.
>>>>>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down
>>trying
>>>>>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be
>>able
>>>>>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC
RAM.
>>>>>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>>>>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar
drives,
>>>>>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160
drive
>>>>>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of
>>digital
>>>>>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>>>>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back
>>these
>>>>>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can
>>easily
>>>>>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with
no
>>>>>>problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on
the
>>>>>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a
clue,
>>>>>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>>>>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>>>>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These
meters
>>>>are
>>>>>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and
>>are
>>>>>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't
have
>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their
taskbar.
>>>>>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas'
taskbar?
>>>>>>It's in the screen shots...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I
adjusted
>>>>>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>>>>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-
ins
>>or
>>>>>>other applications were running and only core
services
>>>>were
>>>>>>running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256
colors),
>>>>>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to
800X600
>>>>>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to
play
>>>>>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>>>>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>>>>>settings
gabriel wrote on 1/23/2001, 9:09 PM
Christian,

A bit of VBScript on an ASP running on the server hosting
this forum generates an error if I try to reply directly
to your post, so I'll just try it this way.



Thanks for reply! You've have given me two very important
bits of information:

1.) Your copy of Vegas was bundled with the Delta 1010.
Since your copy works, this helps rule out my theory
that the bundled versions don't work. (The only
other Vegas users I know got the retail package.)

2.) You're using version 2.0b. I'm using version 2.0a.
This may turn out to be a pretty signifigant. I'm
going to investigate this a little further and see if
the 2.0b version works!



Thanks a million!

--Gabriel



>>Christian wrote:
>>>>HI
>>>>just a comment from another Midiman delta 1010 user.
>>>>Actually I am really satisfied with my setup and I am
not
>>>>even running the minimum system requirement.
>>>>My setup is
>>>>Vegas audio 2.0b
>>>>Windows 98
>>>>350 mhz AMD
>>>>Midiman delta 1010
>>>>7200 rpm IBM ide
>>>>32mb graphic
>>>>I am able to playback 13-14 tracks filled with audio
>>before
>>>>my cpu asks for mercy. I can see on the diskmeter that
my
>>>>harddrive is capable of more.
>>>>I know it is not much of a help But just take it as an
>>>>example that it can work
>>>>
>>>>Gabriel wrote:
>>>>>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>>>>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been
>>considering
>>>>>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends
>>who
>>>>>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at
least a
>>>>>>few people in my situation who share my
frustrations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>>>>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic
Foundry
>>>>>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled
with a
>>>>>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>>>>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide
once
>>and
>>>>>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>>>>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>>>>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro
>>even
>>>>>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know
>>into
>>>>>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a
>>little
>>>>>>dissappointed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo
>>wave
>>>>>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled
results.
>>>>>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite
severe.
>>>>>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down
>>trying
>>>>>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be
>>able
>>>>>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC
RAM.
>>>>>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>>>>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar
drives,
>>>>>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160
drive
>>>>>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of
>>digital
>>>>>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>>>>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back
>>these
>>>>>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can
>>easily
>>>>>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with
no
>>>>>>problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on
the
>>>>>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a
clue,
>>>>>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>>>>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>>>>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These
meters
>>>>are
>>>>>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and
>>are
>>>>>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't
have
>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their
taskbar.
>>>>>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas'
taskbar?
>>>>>>It's in the screen shots...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I
adjusted
>>>>>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>>>>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-
ins
>>or
>>>>>>other applications were running and only core
services
>>>>were
>>>>>>running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256
colors),
>>>>>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to
800X600
>>>>>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to
play
>>>>>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>>>>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>>>>>settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
>>>>>>Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem
did
>>>>>>nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I rebooted the system and tried to record something.
>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>responded with an error message stating "the device
>>>>>>specified in use by another application." There were
>>no
>>>>>>other applications running. I examined all the
>>background
>>>>>>processes running on the system--there was nothing
that
>>>>>>would be using any of my sound hardware's resources.
No
>>>>>>apps were running invisibly in the background, no
anti-
>>>>>>virus, no power power management routines--nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to
record
>>>>>>a single track of garbled audio. For a moment, I
>>thought
>>>>>>it was only garbled because of playback problems, but
>>>>>>saving the digital audio to a file and examining it
with
>>>>>>cool edit revealed that Vegas was indeed garbling the
>>>>>>sound during the recording process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've read all available documentation, adjusted every
>>>>>>setting, consulted with other Vegas audio users I
know,
>>>>>>reconfigured my system various ways, un-installed and
>>>>>>re-installed drivers, applications, and even the
>>operating
>>>>>>system and after four days, no one has been able to
make
>>>>>>Vegas work or even explain why it doesn't. No one can
>>>>>>explain the missing RAM and Disk meters, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not willing to pay more than $20.00 or so to
have a
>>>>>>technician troubleshoot an issue that has already
been
>>so
>>>>>>thoroughly investigated by myself and several friends
(I
>>>>>>am a technician, incidentally, as are most of my
>>>>>>associates.) that finding a solution is highly
unlikely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The product, although highly touted by several people
I
>>>>>>know and whose opinions I respect, doesn't work for
me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has anyone else had numerous or similar inexplicable
>>>>>>problems with Vegas? Does anyone know if these
problems
>>>>>>are related to the bundled Vegas packages only? Has
>>>>>>anyone had these problems with a retail version?
>>Should I
>>>>>>buy Vegas Pro or cut my losses and stick with other
>>>>>>apps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If anyone has opinions regarding anything in this
>>>>>>posting or if anyone else is experiencing these
>>>>>>problems, please reply. I can't believe I'm the only
>>>>>>one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>Gabriel
void wrote on 1/24/2001, 8:27 AM
I just wanted to say that, YES, I TOO had the exact same
problem. Here is the amazing thing, First off, here is my
system:

PIII733/133fsb
256 pc133 ram
maxtor 20 gig 7200 udma66
quantum fireball 15 gig 7200 udma66
Matrox Millenium 8meg Vid Card

OKAY, Go figure, I was using vegas 1.0a and everything was
working well, then I purchased a 20" monitor and changed my
display to accomodate the new screen size, went from
800x600 to 1024xwhatever. All of a sudden, BAM!!!! vegas
wouldn't even play a single track without crashing. I re-
installed the OS, still the same thing. Here is what I
discovered. The video driver for my vid card that came
with the cd is junk. The card I have is an SiS chipset
card, and oh man do they suck!!! If you go try and get the
updated driver, it still doesn't work.

Talking to a friend of mine he told me the answer to my
problem:

There is a beta version of the vid driver for the SiS
chipset video cards. You can only get it on the Korean
mirror site. It is the only one that says Beta version on
it. Try that, it totaly changed the way the system and
vegas worked. I now get well over 16 tracks of audio with
no pops glitches or anything.

-James (just trying to help)

Gabriel wrote:
>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been considering
>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends who
>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>
>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at least a
>>few people in my situation who share my frustrations.
>>
>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic Foundry
>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>
>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled with a
>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide once and
>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>
>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro even
>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know into
>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>
>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a little
>>dissappointed.
>>
>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo wave
>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled results.
>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite severe.
>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down trying
>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>
>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be able
>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>
>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC RAM.
>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar drives,
>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160 drive
>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>
>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of digital
>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back these
>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can easily
>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with no
>>problems.
>>
>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>
>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on the
>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a clue,
>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These meters
are
>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and are
>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't have
>>them.
>>
>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their taskbar.
>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas' taskbar?
>>It's in the screen shots...
>>
>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I adjusted
>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-ins or
>>other applications were running and only core services
were
>>running.
>>
>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256 colors),
>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to 800X600
>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to play
>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
>>Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem did
>>nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.
>>
>>I rebooted the system and tried to record something.
Vegas
>>responded with an error message stating "the device
>>specified in use by another application." There were no
>>other applications running. I examined all the background
>>processes running on the system--there was nothing that
>>would be using any of my sound hardware's resources. No
>>apps were running invisibly in the background, no anti-
>>virus, no power power management routines--nothing.
>>
>>By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to record
>>a single track of garbled audio. For a moment, I thought
>>it was only garbled because of playback problems, but
>>saving the digital audio to a file and examining it with
>>cool edit revealed that Vegas was indeed garbling the
>>sound during the recording process.
>>
>>I've read all available documentation, adjusted every
>>setting, consulted with other Vegas audio users I know,
>>reconfigured my system various ways, un-installed and
>>re-installed drivers, applications, and even the operating
>>system and after four days, no one has been able to make
>>Vegas work or even explain why it doesn't. No one can
>>explain the missing RAM and Disk meters, either.
>>
>>I am not willing to pay more than $20.00 or so to have a
>>technician troubleshoot an issue that has already been so
>>thoroughly investigated by myself and several friends (I
>>am a technician, incidentally, as are most of my
>>associates.) that finding a solution is highly unlikely.
>>
>>The product, although highly touted by several people I
>>know and whose opinions I respect, doesn't work for me.
>>
>>Has anyone else had numerous or similar inexplicable
>>problems with Vegas? Does anyone know if these problems
>>are related to the bundled Vegas packages only? Has
>>anyone had these problems with a retail version? Should I
>>buy Vegas Pro or cut my losses and stick with other
>>apps?
>>
>>If anyone has opinions regarding anything in this
>>posting or if anyone else is experiencing these
>>problems, please reply. I can't believe I'm the only
>>one.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Gabriel
gabriel wrote on 1/24/2001, 7:48 PM
James,

You've got my sympathy! SiS (and S3)-based display adapters
are indeed horrid little beasties. I spent five years
doing tech support, supporting hardware and software
for servers, workstations, laptops, and thin clients for
IBM, Dell, Toshiba, Microsoft et. al. and I must have seen
hundreds of problems related to those cards.

They cause problems with winmodems (as if software-based
modems don't cause enough trouble on their own!), soft-
synth sound cards, and more. They're particularly nasty
when used in conjunction with HSP modems--especially the
ones with PCTel chipsets.

I didn't know Matrox ever used SiS chipsets. I thought all
the Millenium adapters used MGA chipsets. Oh, well--shows
what I know!

Although there may be an underlying problem that has
nothing to with video that makes Vegas sensitive to changes
in video settings, it's quite possible my problems are
cause by video.

The only odd thing is that I have dozens of audio and
video apps--everything from multitrack digital audio apps
to software-based synths and drum machines, including
Cubase VST, Logic Audio, three versions of Cakewalk Pro
Audio, Acid Pro, Awave Studio, CoolEdit Pro, SoundForge,
Magix, T-Racks, Fruity Loops, Rebirth, Pixar animation
software, AudioActive, etc. and none of these applications
have any problems whatsoever.

Why is it that my entire library of audio apps work fine
with my normal video settings and Vegas can't handle a
single track?

Also, Vegas keeps locking up my audio hardware.

I just downloaded and tested version 2.0b (I was trying to
use version 2.0a). I can't say for sure, but I honestly
think the problems got worse! (Although the 2.0b version
hasn't locked up my audio hardware yet.)

I'm going to cut my losses and stop fooling with it.
I'd be an idiot to keep wasting my time when I've so many
other applications that give stellar performance.

Vegas obviously works well for a lot of people, but even if
I could make it work, I don't think I'd want to use
something that has more problems or performs that much
more poorly than similar products.

I'm very glad you were able to resolve your issue without
having to replace the card--most people with those video
cards aren't so lucky.

That beta driver is good to know about.

Take care, and may all your mixes be phat!






James Harold wrote:
>>I just wanted to say that, YES, I TOO had the exact same
>>problem. Here is the amazing thing, First off, here is
my
>>system:
>>
>>PIII733/133fsb
>>256 pc133 ram
>>maxtor 20 gig 7200 udma66
>>quantum fireball 15 gig 7200 udma66
>>Matrox Millenium 8meg Vid Card
>>
>>OKAY, Go figure, I was using vegas 1.0a and everything
was
>>working well, then I purchased a 20" monitor and changed
my
>>display to accomodate the new screen size, went from
>>800x600 to 1024xwhatever. All of a sudden, BAM!!!!
vegas
>>wouldn't even play a single track without crashing. I re-
>>installed the OS, still the same thing. Here is what I
>>discovered. The video driver for my vid card that came
>>with the cd is junk. The card I have is an SiS chipset
>>card, and oh man do they suck!!! If you go try and get
the
>>updated driver, it still doesn't work.
>>
>>Talking to a friend of mine he told me the answer to my
>>problem:
>>
>>There is a beta version of the vid driver for the SiS
>>chipset video cards. You can only get it on the Korean
>>mirror site. It is the only one that says Beta version
on
>>it. Try that, it totaly changed the way the system and
>>vegas worked. I now get well over 16 tracks of audio
with
>>no pops glitches or anything.
>>
>>-James (just trying to help)
>>
>>Gabriel wrote:
>>>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been
considering
>>>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends
who
>>>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>>>
>>>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at least a
>>>>few people in my situation who share my frustrations.
>>>>
>>>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic Foundry
>>>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>>>
>>>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled with a
>>>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide once
and
>>>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>>>
>>>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro
even
>>>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know
into
>>>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>>>
>>>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a
little
>>>>dissappointed.
>>>>
>>>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo
wave
>>>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled results.
>>>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite severe.
>>>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down
trying
>>>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>>>
>>>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be
able
>>>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>>>
>>>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC RAM.
>>>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar drives,
>>>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160 drive
>>>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>>>
>>>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of
digital
>>>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back
these
>>>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can
easily
>>>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with no
>>>>problems.
>>>>
>>>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>>>
>>>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on the
>>>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a clue,
>>>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These meters
>>are
>>>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and
are
>>>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't have
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their taskbar.
>>>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas' taskbar?
>>>>It's in the screen shots...
>>>>
>>>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I adjusted
>>>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-ins
or
>>>>other applications were running and only core services
>>were
>>>>running.
>>>>
>>>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256 colors),
>>>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to 800X600
>>>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to play
>>>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>>>settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
>>>>Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem did
>>>>nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.
>>>>
>>>>I rebooted the system and tried to record something.
>>Vegas
>>>>responded with an error message stating "the device
>>>>specified in use by another application." There were
no
>>>>other applications running. I examined all the
background
>>>>processes running on the system--there was nothing that
>>>>would be using any of my sound hardware's resources. No
>>>>apps were running invisibly in the background, no anti-
>>>>virus, no power power management routines--nothing.
>>>>
>>>>By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to record