Project Media displays what is or was used in a project and counts what is used in the timeline. Project and Timeline is not the same in Vegas Pro.

If you have media in window Project Media but you did not yet put in onto the timeline or removed it from the timeline then it is not an Event, though it's still in your project because it's stored in Project Media.

Video Events and Audio Events are different kind of Events. If you put one video clip into the timeline it will result in one Video and one Audio Event. That's what Edit Details displays.

So to me everything seems to be correct.

Thanks Paul for reproing my process.

I too have only Used 1. If I add another MOV I get USED 3. My point is that prior to doing this neither Edit Detail View nor GOTO sees anything related to this USED 1 instance. Meaning if it IS on the Timeline it isn't being seen by EDV nor GOTO.

Now when I manually force a drag of the same MOV to the timeline I DO get Video and Audio seen in EDV and GOTO.

I can only think that Project Media is mis-reporting the existence on the Timleline of a "single", whether Video or Audio, and this is making for Vegas to recycle its attempt to open. As I say, deleting it makes Vegas Open as it should. 30 seconds to its Windows GUI and another 6 to 10 for the Media to fill out the timeline.

I've checked the authenticity of the Mov itself and it HAS both parts within it - Video and Audio. However it IS being reported as a single "USED" item.

Grazie

Well as Fuchs points out .. "Video Events and Audio Events are different kind of Events".. thats makes sense. So dragging a Mov (with audio in it) to the TL should indeed show Used as 2, and not 1. Because there are actually two events from the single file being created. So thats clear.

So, and im still not 100% ! (sorry having a slow day today).. You are saying you have a file that does NOT do this.. It has audio in it but only shows as Used 1. Is that correct Grazy?

Paul.

Project Media displays what is or was used in a project and counts what is used in the timeline. Project and Timeline is not the same in Vegas Pro.I agree. This I know.

If you have media in window Project Media but you did not yet put in onto the timeline or removed it from the timeline then it is not an Event, though it's still in your project because it's stored in Project Media.If it is not used on the Timline then the USE Count would be "0". Here I have a Use Count of "1", and it is NOT seen in Edit Details, nor the GOTO script. Why?

Video Events and Audio Events are different kind of Events. If you put one video clip into the timeline it will result in one Video and one Audio Event. That's what Edit Details displays. I agree, but this is NOT what I am seeing. I am not seeing the presence of the Event on the Timleine where the Used Count is "1" and it it is NOT in Edit Details.

So to me this is NOT correct.

Simply put, if something is ON the Timeline then its used count should be revealed in Project Media. When I use the Goto Script it isn't seen as being ON the Timeline.

Put it another way, how do find this USED Count of this MOV file on the Timeline?

I'm happy to be put correct on this.

Cheers

Grazie

"You are saying you have a file that does NOT do this.. It has audio in it but only shows as Used 1. Is that correct Grazy?"

Yes. I'm also saying, and can report that I have a MOV file which has both Audio and Video in it and a USED Count of 1. And I can't find where it is on the Timeline!

I'm trying to get a Screengrab for you guys . .

Grazie

Try right-clicking the "1-use-count"-event in Project Media and select "Select Timeline-Events" from the right-click menu. Curious what happens then.

Maybe you could share that certain project for download.

Hah! At last . . you're getting to where I was 4 hours back. I can't see it on the timeline. Doesn't mean it ain't there! But as I keep saying, it is NOT seen in either GOTO nor EDIT Details.

Are you getting the situ now, Fuch?

Grazie

Here is the line. It has taken a recycling of 10 minutes to get Vegas stable enough to do this, very shortly after being stable I get a WHITEOUT. When I remove this 1 COUNT, Vegas opens and remains stable.



Do you see it?

Grazie

yes we see it. And just to be very clear (for me at least), did you or didnt you add this to the TL.. thats critical.
in other words - is this showing as 1 without adding it to the TL?

Paul.

I added it as an alternative to other Logos for this client. But I can't locate its presence on the Timeline either through direct interrogation of the Timeline, nor through Edit Details nor GOTO. What else can a guy do? So, as it can't be "seen" nor located, the USED 1 can't be proved either way. Get my drift? If I'm having a problem with it then Vegas has too.

I will keep saying this, that without it Vegas loads as it should.

I'm putting this forward as a possible BUG that could be stalling the loading of Vegas. Meaning, that which is supposed to be within Vegas, media that is revealed in Project Media, isn't!

So, Paul, the corollary or obverse of what you asked is the dilemma: It IS showing as USED 1, without the ability to prove it IS on the Timeline.

Grazie

Please offer the veg-file for download.

Fuch, what tests could you do that I couldn't do for myself?

This is a client file that is coming to finally delivery. If it wasn't so client-based and NAMED then I might consider it.

So, Fuch, do you see the screengrab? What thoughts have you? I'd be interested to know that your thoughts on my understanding of what makes a USED and Event tally with your own? Is that true?

Grazie

I think we all get what is happening but to go further you need to bear with us.
Is the track that Edit Details thinks it's on a video or audio track?

I ask because from time to time I've managed to create an event on the T/L of zero length. Darn hard to see. darn hard to select. Eventually I've been able to select it and delete it from the T/L. Also of course an audio event that only one sample long it going to be hard to see. I'm not saying your problem is this problem but first it'd be good to exclude that possibility.

Bob.

Bob, I'm SKYPED up.

G

We are trying to help you Grazie, thats why you are getting all these questions to clarify exactly whats going on. No one is saying there is not an issue, Vegas is taking forever to load and eventually crashing. Of course that is not correct. But your events usage showing as 1 could be for different reasons. Just getting to the bottom of things here. Good will intended!

And my own last question was not really answered, did you drag the media clip (mov) to the TL or not.. Not asking if you can see it, just .. did you do it.

Paul.

Edit Details doesn't see it - and that's my point.

I've run Edward's Project Inspector, which indicates low frame numbers for Events. And that isn't showing it, NOR if it is a small Event.

Grazie

Paul, thanks for helping. Yes, I would have put it on the Timeline, but I cannot prove I did as I can't see it now. Of course, I may well have deleted it. It's this "Use Count of 1" that's bugging me.

I just did a test and replaced it with itself. The USE Count went to ZERO! Excellent. I saved, closed and then reopened it. It came back as "USE Count 1" - eh?

So, I replace it with itself and the "error" goes back to "1".

Paul, again, thanks for helping. This is bizarre.

Working with Bob, on SKYPE, we did a test using this single MOV. The Use Count worked as it should. It is only within this one VEG that this is happening.

Cheers

Grazie

Note that subclips also increment the use count.

A few possibilities:

1. Your problem MOV has been added as a "take," but that take is not active. If so, it would not show as used, and "go to" and other scripts probably wouldn't find it.

2. I'm less sure about this one, but if you put the event on the timeline, and then put another event on top of that event, the "buried" event might not show. I have an old audit script that you can use to find these things.

New audit script for overlapped events

The subclip idea, already mentioned, sounds plausible as well. Finally, I suppose it might be possible that you have uncovered a Vegas bug, perhaps a variant of the often-reported "replaced media" problem.

Thanks Altravic and John. Yes, all of that, understood. John, it's not as if it showing 0 as no Used but as 1. What can that mean?

Why would any of this cripple loading? Is it that Vegas can't make it's mind up if something is or isn't on the timeline? This is where I started with this 12 hours back.

If I delete it from within the Project Media pane, loading is fine. Also, I don't get a warning that it is present on the Timeline.

Cheers

G

"Yes, I would have put it on the Timeline, but I cannot prove I did as I can't see it now".
Ok! thats clear now thanks.

So now im thinking maybe its a corrupt veg file.

Could you try SaveAs EDL (.txt) and see if the offending clip is listed in that file using notepad or whatever.. even though its not visible on the timeline - it should not be in the EDL list either.

Paul.