Quad core BSOD, very interesting

ingvarai wrote on 11/14/2008, 8:41 PM
I have an error that is very interesting because it is 100 % reproducible!

I have an ASUS P5W DH Deluxe mobo with an Intel quad core CPU. All is new, new formatted hard disks and Windows XP SP3. As you probably know, it is possible to boot with just one core active, or with all 4 cores active.

I have a Vegas project which takes 9 minutes to render using one core. With one core - no problems whatsoever.
Then, booting again with all 4 cores active, the rendering speed increases dramatically, with an estimated rendering time of 2:30 minutes. However, after about 1 minute, I get a BSOD - a blue screen with MEMORY_MANAGEMENT and the STOP Code 0x0000001A.

This can be reproduced one hundred percent, it happens all the time. reducing the number of rendering threads in Vegas has no effect at all. I have 4 Gb RAM, the fastest I could get.

Now - has anybody encountered a similar problem?

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tcbetka wrote on 11/14/2008, 9:14 PM
Wow, weird problem. What happens if you try it after booting to 2 cores, or 3...? I have never tried booting with less than all four cores; nor have I tried rendering with fewer than 4 cores. I simply haven't had a problem that way.

So you have any other application that uses all four cores, by chance?

TB

EDIT: Have you seen http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=619990this thread[/link]? Some of those suggestions might be worth a try if you haven't done so already.
ingvarai wrote on 11/14/2008, 9:54 PM
I have some more interesting news :-)
Problem seems to be solved!!!
I came across an article about BSODs and Quad Core and it mentioned that often the RAM got to little voltage. So I installed the ASUS control panel which comes with the mobo. This is aimed at "overclockers", those who add additional cooling to the CPU and adjust the CPU frequency the get more horsepower.

Nevertheless - it also has a control for manual adjustment of the RAM voltage. The default value is 1.8 V, I increased it to 2.0, rebooted, and have now done my Vegas test-job several times - no crash!!!
If this solves it, I am as happy an one could be, I have had night mares because of all BSODs I got after the QUad Core entered the scene..

> What happens if you try it after booting to 2 cores, or 3...?
This is not possible. Either one or all cores. You do this by editing C:\BOOT.INI . Google for the /onecpu switch and "boot.ini"

> So you have any other application that uses all four
> cores, by chance?

I tried Cakewalk Sonar v 6.0, and it uses 1 and 1/2 CPU.. not impressing. In the mean time version 8.0 is out, maybe it is better.
Sony Sound Forge, OTOH, uses all 4 CPUs :-)

I will now try Carrara, it will be exciting. I really hope it takes advantage of all 4 cores, because rendering animations takes hours sometimes. According to the specs, version 6 has Multi Processor Support. I take the Carrara videos into Vegas and refine them there :-)

And BTW, if someone finds Vegas slow, try a 3D Modeling application.. I was rendering a 24 seconds long animation in Carrara, and went out paddling in my kayak. When back, it was still working on it, took 2 hours and 36 minutes..

So - no crashes so far, incredible, really, if my system has become stable just because of a 0.2 V increase in the RAM voltage :-)

ingvarai

farss wrote on 11/14/2008, 10:37 PM
Your RAM could be a bit dodgy, have you tested it?

Yes, I've tried rendering 3D, it's a totally different process to rendering video. Render times of a day per frame are not uncommon in CGI. Hair, water and smoke contain zillions of polygons and there's all the the physics to be calculated as well.

Bob.
ingvarai wrote on 11/14/2008, 10:54 PM
> Your RAM could be a bit dodgy, have you tested it?
I just got new RAM, replacing the old RAM. The new ram came as a pair of 2 times 2Gb. The old RAM was 2 x 1Gb, and made the PC crash all the time when the Quad core was introduced. No, I start to believe that the Voltage in general is a little low. And the this is more critical with the Quad than with the Dual core I had before.

As it is now, after I adjusted the voltage - no crashes at all!

ingvarai
blink3times wrote on 11/15/2008, 5:36 AM
"As it is now, after I adjusted the voltage - no crashes at all!"

That's pretty interesting.

I used to crash all the time, then one day it stopped. I never REALLY figured out why it stopped but now that you mention it... back around the time the crashing stopped was when I upped the voltage on both the cpu and ram. I wonder if that was it.

Food for thought anyway.
tcbetka wrote on 11/15/2008, 7:30 AM
Get yourself http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=103Prime95[/link] and test that system. I guess I missed it where you mentioned that you OC'd the machine, or I would have asked you if you tested the cores at FULL load for 12 hours?

When I built my system, I hired a consultant to advise me on selecting the proper components, overclocking, and just little things in general. I had never built a machine for audio/video editing before, and wanted to get it right the first time--so I hired a guy named Jim Roseberry, who I met on the SONAR forums actually. He specializes in audio machines, using multiple core CPUs and the highest quality components. I use SONAR 7, and at the time 8 wasn't out yet. But I picked out all my components and then Jim helped to fine-tune my choices to insure that everything plays well together. Well, it was the best $40 I ever spent, because I never had a single issue (I did get a bad stick of new RAM though, so that isn't an impossibility).

So when it came to overclocking the PC, Jim had me download the Prime95 application and run it for 12 hours, after we had tweaked the cores from within the BIOS. Luckily for me, the machine passed the test on the first go-round, so I didn't have to increase the voltage at all--but the problem you were having is exactly the sort of thing he said I'd see if the core voltages weren't adequate. It's a delicate balance--too little voltage, and the machine crashes whenever there's a load on the CPU; too much voltage and the cores get too hot. So I guess I should ask--are you running CPU RightMark or another similar utility to monitor your core temperatures?

TB
ingvarai wrote on 11/15/2008, 11:31 AM
TB,
I have not overclocked my machine, the problems started after I removed the dual core and put in the quad core.
Anyhows - I have used http://www.lavalys.com/ which monitors and will stress the system. Before I adjusted the RAM voltage, I got "Hardware failure" after 1-2 minutes, when stressing the memory.
Now I get nothing, and I regard the problem more or less solved.

I admire people like Jim who know so much about these things. I think I will satisfy myself with my currest status - I have the latest drivers and the system is running fine with no BSODs. CPU temp remains around +32 C (90F) and the RAM feels a little hot when I touch it, have no idea how hot. The core temperatures float around 50 C / 120 F, and do not increase, even when running the stress test for 10 minutes.

It is a reflief, indeed, that the BSODs are gone, I hope this information will be useful to others having the same issues!
Now I am installing Vista 64 bit (dual boot) and will soon try Vegas again to see what happens, it will be exciting..

ingvarai