Quesions about Hard Drive setup

mjdog wrote on 1/13/2004, 12:59 PM
I was reading some older posts (see end of message) about building a new system and now I have a question about the kind of motherboard I want and hard drive configurations.

My current (and "ancient") motherboard has 2 IDE channels. I have my OS drive and my 2nd drive on channel 1, and my CD and DVD-burner on channel 2. I also have an external firewire drive. I *thought* that having both hard drives on the same channel would be best....is that still true?

More importantly, in selecting a new motherboard, should I pick one with 2 IDE channels, 4 IDE channels (do they still have those?) or one with a combination of IDE and SATA?

My intuition is to buy a combo, put my OS drive on the SATA, my 2nd hard drive I use for video capture on an IDE channel 1, and my Cd and DVD drives on channel 2.

Assuming I did this, when it comes time to render, do I render FROM the 2nd hard drive back to itself,.....OR to the OS drive on the SATA, ....OR to the firewire drive.....or does it not matter as far as efficiency? (with my current system, and after lots of tests, I found I needed to put the music on the OS drive, the photos for my video montage on the 2nd drive, and render to the external drive, otherwise the audio would not render correctly)

Mike





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Eighth, more, relatively smaller hard drives. It's nice to have the latest, biggest drives, but the price per storage sweet spot is just not there - you pay a premium. Smaller drives (80 - 120) give you a lot of options with audio and video, going from one drive to another (& one channel to another) is much faster, and it's pretty easy to add storage at any time as prices come down in the future (USB2 &/or firewire enclosures for the replaced drives - the ones you pul out - are cheap). I mention this with a new system because opting for better/more IDE support now on the motherboard makes a difference - IDE pci cards can be slower, plus take up a valuable slot. And remember, your system HD will limit (or can limit) the speed of another HD installed as a slave on that channel - another reason for a motherboard with 4 channel IDE, as you're much more likely to upgrade the other drives then swap your OS to a newer one.

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johnmeyer wrote on 1/13/2004, 2:59 PM
*thought* that having both hard drives on the same channel would be best....is that still true?

It depends. On my older system, I put each hard drive on a separate IDE channel and then slaved my CD and DVD units to each hard drive. In my newer system, my computer vendor (Polywell) advised against this. The reason is that hard drive in my new computer uses an ultra DMA cable which has double the number of connectors. This is not compatible with most (if not all) CD and DVD drives. Thus, I have both hard disks in my new system on the same IDE channel. I do not think the data transfer between the drives is as fast as it might be if they were on the same channel, but the performance for normal operations (i.e., just reading or writing to one drive at a time) is far faster.

should I pick one with 2 IDE channels, 4 IDE channels (do they still have those?) or one with a combination of IDE and SATA?

I guess there must be motherboards with more than 2 IDE channels, but most I've see have only two. If you want more IDE channels, the usual thing is to purchase a plugin board that has 2-4 channels on it. I've thought of doing this in my system, but haven't really been able to justify the effort (things are plesantly fast at the moment, and nothing is broken). I don't know what "SATA" is, so I can't comment on that.

My intuition is to buy a combo, put my OS drive on the SATA, my 2nd hard drive I use for video capture on an IDE channel 1, and my Cd and DVD drives on channel 2.

This sounds like a good plan.

Assuming I did this, when it comes time to render, do I render FROM the 2nd hard drive back to itself,.....OR to the OS drive on the SATA, ...

It is always faster to copy, or render, to a separate drive. The way I do this is that I took my first drive and partitioned it. It is 120 Gbytes. I put my O/S in the first partition, which I created as 35 Gbytes. Plenty big enough for any and all programs I am ever likely to have, plus system restore files and other bloat that Windows likes to create. I then capture to my second hard drive (also 120 Gbytes). I then render back to the second partition of the first drive (about 85 Gbytes). The theory is that the render is always smaller than the sum of all the capture files.

I now also have a 250 Gbyte Firewire (Maxtor) hard drive. I can capture or render to that. So far I've had no problems whatsoever with this drive. I just plugged it in and haven't dropped frames or had any problems. It came with partitioned with a single FAT32 partition, and I kept it that way so I could use it with my older computers. Of course, FAT32 limits me to 4 GByte file sizes. However, when capturing, I could care less if the files get broken up into 4 GByte chunks, and this seldom happens unless I am capturing analog tape, or capturing from a live performance (e.g., full-length ballet). However, when rendering to MPEG, you can't create a completely full DVD unless you can render a file of over 4 Gbytes. Thus, I can't render MPEG for most DVDs back to this drive (until and unless Sony provides a "combine MPEG files into one" feature in DVDA). For AVI files, it is not a big deal if the render creates a series of 4 Gbyte files, since they will print to tape seamlessly.
mjdog wrote on 1/13/2004, 4:46 PM
Thanks for the reply johnmeyer.

SATA = serial ATA drive. Only recently these drives became available, and now many motherboards have both a SATA and IDE connections.

Is there someone who recently built a new system and can recommend a motherboard they liked. I know I can look at reviews at places like tomshardware.com, anadtech or skarkyextreme, but I'd like to hear from actual Vegas users on what they choose. The tech and gamer sites like to emphasis the latest chipset (e.g. 875P), but is it worthwhile for video-editing tasks?
BillyBoy wrote on 1/13/2004, 8:26 PM
I LOVE my ASUS 800 PNP Deluxe. It supports the ATA drives for the future, is rock stable, easy to overclock. Comes in a RAID version if you want it.

Works fine with Vegas. You can have IDE drives and ATA. Right now I've passed on the ATA, just too expensive, not enough bang for the buck.

What I've done that cost me nothing extra is grab a couple ATA 133 drives. Most, like the Maxtor come with a seperate IDE controller. This doubles the number of devices you can have from 4 to 8.

If you gotthat route and have a big case you may need oversize cables otherwise a very tight fit to run to the location you put the extra drives since trying to shoehorn all those drives in the regular drive cage is hard and generates too much heat with everything bunched up.

kentwolf wrote on 1/13/2004, 8:42 PM
You can get motherboards with 4 IDE channels; you just have to read the fine print closely.

That's what I have and I love it. You *may* need to download a driver from the motoherboard Mfr. to use the IDE 3 & 4 as regular IDE channels. Otherwise, they're pretty much for RAID setups, if you so choose. If you add an IDE controller card, like I did, you can have a lot of drives, but you definitely need a good sized tower. No "Mini" anything. Personally, I want a MAXI tower... :)

Also, I have personally found it faster to render from 1 drive on one IDE cable to another drive on another IDE cable. I timed it and it's fairly faster.

...but that's just me and my system...