Which version of Vegas?

Just upgraded to pro 10

I can't duplicate this bug in Pro V10 .. maybe I'm not doing what you are doing.
List it step by step.

I can create regions in the trimmer and they stick and show up in Region view after closing the trimmer and refreshing. But I don't use regions so I might not be understanding the problem.

Do they appear in Edit details View?

Grazie

Thanks for taking interest in my problem.

Yes, my regions appear in the edit details view. However, I do not think this view could replace the explorer window regions view, but I might be wrong, I do not really see the point of this window...maybe a little reading up on how it works is in order.

As for generating the problem, I'm really not doing anything out of the ordinary.
1. Double click file to open in trimmer
2. Make selection
3. Name region
4. Save
5. Double click another file to get rid of old one
6. Double click on old one to reload and see if it saved my regions

Like I said, it saves regions on mp3's, but not mp4's and not HD files, but yes they appear to be visible in the edit details view.

Maybe, for some weird reason the folder these get saved to is missing, or wrongly placed? Does anyone know where they are stored? Or how to check this? Thanks

Another curious thing: I created a new project, opened a file in the trimmer, created a region, put the region in the timeline, closed and saved the file. When I reopen the file, the region I put in the timeline does retain it's name, but in region view it isn't shown. I must be doing something wrong here ...no?

But now I just noticed that if I load up another file, then click on the file in the time line I just created a region in and open it in the trimmer, the region isn't there anymore, but the region in the timeline retains it's name. Am I being clear?

liquid, I am seeing the same problems with 10a and panasonic .MTS files.

/jerry

1. Double click file to open in trimmer
This is a setting in the General tab under Options. Not everyone uses this. Double clicking a file normally puts in on the timeline not into the trimmer.

But I changed my setting and followed your directions step by step. I'm using Sony MTS files which are AVCHD. Cannot duplicate your problem. I can create regions in the trimmer and they are remembered (without even saving them actually) They show up in the Region view of Explorer once, as you do, I refreshed in some way, like loading a different event into the trimmer and then going back to the orig event.

Paul

I have it set up to double click into the trimmer. Can you try it with an mp4?

I did a few quick checks. Pro V10 64bit on Win7 64 bit. Loaded an EX3 .mxf clip into the trimmer. Added two regions and saved, refresh Explorer, region view, and the regions show up as expected. Restores correctly to Trimmer and show when clip placed on the timeline (Show Markers enabled).

Rendered the same clip to:
1. .avi, .wmv and Sony AVCHD .m2ts - they all behave correctly as above.
2. Mainconcept .mp4 and Sony .mp4 - Regions are not saved and do not restore to the trimmer. Regions are also not displayed when placing the clips on the timeline.

Willem

Ok. I tried an MP4 and I'm seeing the same thing. Cannot create a region in the trimmer that sticks or shows up in Region view. Save or no save. Same thing in V9 .. Interesting that using the same MP4 file, I can create the region in V8.0c and it REMEMBERS the region when I open it in V10. That's a crazy work around. Use V8 to create the regions.

Something is up here that no one seems to have noticed back in V9 .. Need others to verify. Can't understand why my MTS file AVCHD from SONY camera works -- but the MP4 doesn't along with your HD files and someone else Panasonic MTS files. Weird. Need others to confirm and it should be reported to Sony.

MP4 is a container that supports active metadata. I think at the very least in part support for some of that functionality was added in V9. Some of the essence markers that can be added into mp4 externally to Vegas do show up on the timeline. It's possibly the functionality that works with AVI and other files in Vegas had to be removed for mp4 files to avoid an unholy mixup wih two conflicting mechanisms trying to do the same thing.

Bob.

Good possible explanation Bob on why V9 and V10 fail to mark regions in MP4 media in the trimmer.

BUT --- I can embed markers (regions) into the file using the trimmer in V8.0c and then when the same MP4 is opened in V10 -- the markers (regions) are still there! .. Even showing up in Explorer, Region View. I can even do this while both V8.0c and V10 are open. As long as I "save" the regions in the trimmer in V8.0c, they immediately show up in V10 using the same media. What's up with that? Can you duplicate?

Paul

Same issue here NOT MARKERS with (eos)mov files, so AGAIN transcode to .mxf to work.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=736903&Replies=4

"so AGAIN transcode to .mxf to work. " what do you mean by this? Change the files to .mxf to use regions on? If this is what you mean, how do I do this? What are .mxf files? Thanks

I can't really try that at the moment but I have no reason to believe it would not work.

Thing is I've found mp4 files show up in V9 with markers in the clip e.g. "Record Start" and "Record Stop" and these were not put there by me, or at least not by using Vegas.
What I'm getting at is there appears to be now (V9 and later) two ways this can happen. Vegas reads the metadata from the mp4 file and copies that into the .sfk file and the trimmer put the same kinds of markers into the 'sfk file.
In theory at least this kind of data should work universally but tools such as Sony's Clip Browser will not read the .sfk files, period. Maybe SCS removed the functionality within Vegas to avoid a mess, I don't know for sure of course.

Bob.

"so AGAIN transcode to .mxf to work. " what do you mean by this?
What is meant is that you input your original video files to some software that encodes it (or transcodes if you like) and outputs it to the Sony MXF format. So you wind up with the same video in MXF format (generally these files are much larger than your original HD or AVCHD files but they edit very smoothly in Vegas (this is the main reason for transcoding -- smooth timeline playback) and will allow you to fully use "regions" in the trimmer. .This transcoding will be nearly "loseless" in terms of quality. One piece of software that does this beautifully is call Proxy Stream. It is a script file that runs within Vegas and very easy to use. Download Proxy Stream here .

Follow this thread to learn how to install and use Proxy Stream (it's a Free program) .. There are other solutions for transcoding besides MXF files. I use Proxy Stream myself for some projects that are going to be heavy with effects. Of course, this is an extra step in the workflow. But in your case, might be a good workaround for the problem.

I get it Bob -- well sort of get it -- I looked in the Vegas help for V10 .. ( Isn't that always a last resort that should be first) .. It says the following on the subject of creating regions and markers in the trimmer that are embedded metadata:

You cannot save markers and regions to a read-only file or to file types that Vegas Pro cannot render. If markers and regions cannot be saved, the Save Markers/Regions button is unavailable.

So this is really not a bug. Just the way it is right now -- probably, as you said, to avoid a mess (probably a bigger mess). Except the "save" button DOES seem available on the MP4 file that won't work for me in V10. I believe the most demanding of us would call that a bug. It should be grayed out or generate an error. The way they have it, it leads you down the garden path. IF I get up the energy, I'll submit a report to SCS and see if they plan to bring this back to the way it was in 8.0c ..

I've checked out Proxy Stream, and pardon my ignorance, but is there a basic, and when I say basic I mean layman's instructions on how to use it? It doesn't appear to be a program, it's a script. But scripts have .cs extensions, and the files I downloaded for this program don't....I read the thread you sent me, but I think it assumes one knows how to get the thing up and running, which I don't. Any pointers?

Yep. Proxy Stream is a script. You install scripts in the following directory in Vegas:

C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 10.0\Script Menu

By this I mean, unzip the download file and copy Proxy Stream15b.dll to the Script Menu directory refered to above. I'm an not expert, but apparently not all scripts a .cs files. This one is a DLL ...

BTW, the Proxy Stream script will only run in 32bit Windows.
I forgot to ask if you're running 64 bit Vegas? ..

That's really all you need to do for installing a script. Just copy it to the scripts directory as I said above.

When you open Vegas, the script should be there.
Click the menu under Tools/Scripting
Proxy Stream should be in the list of scripts that appears on the right.
Click on Proxy Stream 15b .. it should open the dialog for PRoxy Stream.
Try running the script on a small group of files to start.
If you have trouble running the script. post again. I'll be here a few more hours.

Never mind my last question, I figured it out. But this seems like a really long process to convert my files like this--it's like doing a render! So if I had many hundreds of files I'd have to start the conversion and go on vacation. Is there any advantage to using mxf files other than having regions?

I'm running 64 bit, but it worked. I tested it on one file going from an mp4 to mxf and it worked....tested the regions and they worked too...so far so good. However, when I imported the file into Vegas there were 4 audio channels...weird or normal? You tell me. I could deleted the extra channels, but again, if I had to do this hundreds of times for every file I might use it might get a bit tedious. But at least I now have the option.