Re: Transition

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 3:45 AM

Hi all

I am trying to create a specific type of transition for a project but am having some difficulty.

What I am trying to do (and it sounds as if it should be very simple to achieve) is have a large letter that fills the screen from top to bottom (K in this instance) move across the screen pushing one scene out and dragging the next in.

I have set a push transition between the two overlapping photos (25 frames PAL) with Smooth set. I used Track motion on the track above to move my K from left to right carefully addjusting the start and end points which are before and after the push start and stop points so that the K strats and ends off-screen.

I find that the centre of the K does not move exactly with the centre of the push transition.

Also, if I use Track Motion to zoom into each of the two photos to eliminate area I do not want shown then a large amount of black can be seen during the transition between the two photos.

I am not sure If I have made it clear what is happening butI would appreciate any advice and pointers towards my goal.

Cheers.

Comments

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 3:48 AM

Eh? I'd try something else. I'm trying to use the actual "K" as the transition.

BRB!

Interesting .. .

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 3:51 AM

Thanks - I wait with baited breath:)

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 4:05 AM

Got it! Still may NOT be what you want .. but it is rather slick!!

OK - No TM!

One track

Overlap "K" event at end of Event 1 and use PUSH-LEFt on overlap > END of "K" Event use PUSH Right and use PUSH Left on overlap to Event2.

The trick here is that ostensibly you can ADD a Trannie velo to SUSTAIN a midway of the "K" movement ..

Could be a World Breaker!

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 4:18 AM

Hi Grazie

Thanks for that but what I am trying to achieve is a normal Push
between the two events and the K just gliding over the top as they move with the centre of the K covering the join between the two events.

Maybe I haven't replicated your suggestion properly?

Any furtrher help greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 4:22 AM

Yeah, i kinda feared you were gonna say that ..

You do SKYPE I can point you at my screen .. I think I got what you want now .. well nearly. NO TM here!!

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 4:27 AM

Sorry - don't have SKYPE.

and, sorry to sound a bit thick but what is meant by NO TM here!!

<Embarassed mode> in case it is something so obvious I will cringe - lol

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 4:35 AM

No no no ... no embarrassment! Tis all mine!!

"NO TM here!!" - my dreadful shorthand for No track motion here. I'm trying to get a solution without resorting to TM. Yeah?

At the moment I'm trying to get the "K" to pull over the 2nd event.

BTW, the interim BLACK bit you are getting I too found this with the kinda work you are doing. It is very similar to the "Film Strip" of Events.

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 4:45 AM

I'm with you on the wish to avoid TM.

The fact that you are also getting the BLACK means that it is not all down to my compete inexperience but rather an effect within V5.

I appreciate all your help.

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 4:46 AM

Mav? The problem I'm having is understanding the actual "sequencing" of what you want to happen?

I can get the K to PUSH the event off screen to the left - but then for the K to then drag the NEXT event in there has to be a "handover"? If Event 1 is leaving left the frame, then what is taking its place until K drags Event 2 from the Left? This is where I can't, I'm blocking myself to the IDEA! this I hate! . ..

I'll keep trying ..

grh wrote on 9/5/2006, 4:54 AM

I came up with this based on the initial description. I think you don't want to use track motion on the photos, but perhaps on the K?

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 5:03 AM

grh - yeah, that's what I thought, but it was Mav's original "move across the screen pushing one scene out and dragging the next in." that's got me transfixed ion the sequencencing of the HANDSHAKE over to Event2.

Your veg is neat, but now make it so the K moves left pushing OFF Event1 and drags in Event2? I'm having an issue with having this interim black section.

Fade in, as per your K, great, but Mav wants the K to PUSH away the first event, not FADE over it? Well that's what I've understood?

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 6:17 AM

Thanks grh & Grazie

Unfortunately I cannot open your veg file as I assume it is V6 and I have V5.

This is what I wish to achieve K_trans.

As you can see, if you mute track 2 it looks OK with plain backgrounds.

But if you add track 2 then there is problems in how it looks.

Maybe you could investigate what I could be doing wrong here?

Thanks again.

Cheers

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 6:27 AM

Mav? I'm getting a:

HTTP 404 - File not found

on that link?

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 6:37 AM

Sorry 'bout that.

I realised that just sending a veg file wasn't enough so I have uploaded a rar file containing the veg and two photos.

Also, I have never embedded a file before in this forum so I hope I got it right. I seem to be able to download from here so please let me know you can dl, too.

HTH.

Cheers

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 6:53 AM

Actually, if you change the Push transition to the Slide (Slide in, Left-Right) for the photos then it appears to work as I would like it too.

<Edit> Except that event 1 is not pushed off:(

It seems to work well if you use the Squeeze (left-right) transition.

But what I have noticed is that the K follows the centre of the push or slide transitions until about 6 frames before the end of the actual transition where the K appears to lag behind.

Your thoughts on this, please... is there a better way?

Cheers

JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/5/2006, 7:07 AM

Hmmm... I’m not following what the problem is here. I just overlapped two events with a Push Left transition. Then I double-clicked the transition to make a selection of the same length and on the track above I inserted a Text Media “K”. Using Pan/Crop with a Smoothness of zero (0) I positioned the left edge of the K at the right border and panned the K across the screen with a second keyframe. It tracked the border of the Push transition perfectly. Isn’t that what you wanted?

~jr

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 7:19 AM

JR? Does the "K" PUSH the 1st EVENT off to the LEFT and then PULL the 2nd Event in from the LEFT?

JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/5/2006, 7:29 AM

Yup, I believe it does what he wants. Here is the K-Transition.veg file (created in Vegas 5).

Here is a WMV video of the result: K-Transition.wmv (63 KB)

Is that it?

~jr

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 7:33 AM

JR - I have tried to replicate your suggestion but without success.

Also, any chance you could post the veg as a V5 file, please?

The wmv looks similar to what I am attempting except I would need to reverse as it to go from left to right.

Cheers

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 7:50 AM

See jr? He wants to DRAG it back FROM the LEFT. Not drag it in FROM the Right.

The way I understand this is that Mav wants to:

USE a K to PUSH an EVENT off to the Left. THEN have the K DRAG the 2nd Event BACK in from the LEFT.

Now THAT'S what I've been hastling.

If I've got this correct then there is a handover of Events that will mean a BLACK background.

LARF! ! !

Maverick wrote on 9/5/2006, 7:57 AM

Grazie said:

> The way I understand this is that Mav wants to:

>USE a K to PUSH an EVENT off to the Left. THEN have the K DRAG > the 2nd Event BACK in from the LEFT

Not quite what I want, Grazie.

Literally I want the K to move across with the Push transition from left to right always with the centrer of the K covering where the two events meet as this, too, traverses across the screen.

Does this help?

Grazie wrote on 9/5/2006, 8:06 AM

OK!!

Now at exactly WHAT point does this K appear? It HAS to appear at some point - yeah? Does it appear as a dissolve? Does it appear "arse" backwards as the vertical separation line of Event1>Event2 starts up? At a point where the vertical sep line is 1/4 in? Or where? The sequencing is important, but once we got the "feel" of what you want then let's progress.

Still larfing!!!

Dono wrote on 9/5/2006, 8:20 AM

Use the veg file submitted by grh, but change the transition of the "K" on track one from a fade to a push right.

JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/5/2006, 8:39 AM

> Also, any chance you could post the veg as a V5 file, please?

Any chance you could upgrade to Vegas 6. ;-) (BTW, for the short time I was in Vegas 5 I really missed the ability to scrub the Pan/Crop timeline. This is much harder to get exactly right in Vegas 5. I could never go back to editing in Vegas 5. Also another reason to upgrade is to stay current with what everyone else is doing).

Click on the links again. I just redid it in Vegas 5 and now it pushes Right instead of Left. The WMV is updated too. Hopefully you can tweak it to do what you want. Personally I would not have The K in the center of the transition. I feel it looks much nicer if a hard edge on the K was the edge of the transition too but it’s your video.

~jr