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chap wrote on 7/13/2013, 3:35 PM
I have some scratch 4800 K footage shot with a red epic. How much footage are you looking for?
wwjd wrote on 7/13/2013, 5:24 PM
I found some R3D on the net, but it doesn't "SHOW" up in preview? It does if I keep resizing the preview window in a blinky glimpsy sort of way... maybe I should just reboot.

Just looking for a few minutes to play around with. Hard finding sites that have 4k footage for download.

Do you think VEGAS P12 can deal with it very well without resorting tin intermediary file?
chap wrote on 7/14/2013, 3:15 PM
In short... No. (but there is good news too) I just finished directing and editing my first national commercial (yes, a full on brag.. not humble brag :-).... It was shot on the Red Epic.

Red files are 4K resolution, which means that they are 4800 x 2700 in resolution, or 2.5 times bigger than a full HD file out of, say, a DSLR.

I have a dual Hex Core Intel machine with Quadro FX Graphics and 24GB of RAM, and a RAID with 500 Mbps transfer, and the best I would have in preview was choppy. Occassionaly it would choke Vegas as well. Even After Effects has a tough time dealing with a 15 second red clip.

now the good news:

If you are careful with your file naming, Proxy editing in Vegas is very easy, and there is a Wonderful program from GoPro (formerly Cineform), which allows you to easily convert and work with RED files.

http://cineform.com/products/gopro-cineform-studio-premium

They offer three flavors of the Cineform Studio, for basic RED editing you need the middle one, priced at $299. It is worth every penny. I also convert my H.264 files to cineform for easy editing and brilliant color correction tools. I just had to teach myself this last week and it wasn't hard.

You can try it free for 2 weeks. Once installed, you go to your programs, and under Cineform, Tools, there is a script which is called Batch to 1K Express files.

It runs in DOS (which is faster than using a GUI program). It will convert all the R3D files in the directory to .AVI files that are easy to work with (but the color will be really washed out and bad). Edit your project using these files. All of them will be in a folder marked Express. When you are done with your edit, use the lightning bolt to remove all unused media from the timeline (saves work in a minute), then re-name the "express" folder to something like "x-express". When Vegas re-opens it will not be able to find the .AVI files, and you can select "Replacement file" out of the options. Connect the files to the right .R3D files (they are named the same so it isn't hard, takes a few minutes), and then you can render away, with all the brilliant color back from the red.

Hope that helps.

Good luck

Chapman
wwjd wrote on 7/14/2013, 3:20 PM
so the free cineform doesn't work with R3D files?
Are there other types of 4k files out there?
I'm thinking of the upcoming BlackMagic 4k camera files, I doubt they will be R3D files! :D
and thanks for all that workflow info! I am sure it will come in handy for me.
chap wrote on 7/14/2013, 4:16 PM
I don't think the free one works for R3D. I also had bought the NeoScene years ago, and that one didn't work for them

That's how they getcha!

I used Blackmagic codec for a while, but had a lot of crashes in Vegas, so I am not confident they have their APIs all sorted out with Sony.

Chapman
c3hammer wrote on 7/15/2013, 9:15 AM
Philip Bloom and James Miller have some 500mbps Canon 1DC 4k clips you can download. I don't recall what the link is, but look it up on www.philipbloom.net

Movie Studio 12 handled it quite nicely and it is super easy to work with. I have no experience with other 4k formats what-so-ever though. Sorry !

Cheers,
Pete
wwjd wrote on 7/15/2013, 9:36 AM
perfect, I'll give it a shot. probably worked because it was Canon format files