Real time sound editing

Raquel wrote on 3/11/2004, 11:28 AM
Hello all. I just bought Vegas a few days ago and am really impressed with it. I couldn't be happier, except with one aspect.

Does anyone know how in Adobe Premiere that when you dragged the cursor over a video clip, the sound would play? Not the same quality as it is when it's previewed, but you'd still hear the audio.

I'm synchronizing a clip of a basketball player dribbling a ball, and I want the bounce of the ball to match the beats of the song I've chosen. I've already made a video like this in premiere, but now I would like to use Vegas to do it.

Does Vegas have this feature? I need to pinpoint the exact beat and where it is.

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Jsnkc wrote on 3/11/2004, 11:34 AM
Use the scrub control, it's the bar underneath the list of tracks. It says rate in front of it. You can just drag that right or left and you will be able to hear the audio and see the video.
farss wrote on 3/11/2004, 11:39 AM
Best way to do this is play the track, tap your foot to the beat and once you've got a good feel for it hit "M" to place a marker at each beat. If you fluff it no worry, you can delete all the markers in one go.
Jsnkc wrote on 3/11/2004, 11:43 AM
One other thing I forgot to mention is that you can actually expand the audio track so you can see the waveform better for the sounds and that is a really good way to match it up, you can actually *see* the sound.
Raquel wrote on 3/11/2004, 11:48 AM
Is that the feature that slows everything down or speeds it up? If it is, that wasn't exactly what I was looking for.

http://alleniversonfantasy.com/Capture (11,14_03_56).jpg

See how the mouse is dragging that maker, and the video is playing along while dragging? I want the audio to be playing along too, like in premiere.

Farss, thanks for that suggestion, but it's not one set rhythm. Some parts it gets really fast, sometimes it's slow. It'd be painstaking to do that for every single beat I'd want the clips to synchronize to.

I know someone might suggest 'Well, why don't you just use premiere" , but thing is, I really really like Vegas and it's features, and want to be able to use it comfortably.
ibliss wrote on 3/11/2004, 12:07 PM
For audio syncing one of the things I do is create a loop region (and turn on looped playback), select the audio clip and press play.

While the vid and audio is playing back, nudge the audio back and forth using the number keypad 4 & 6. For finer adjustments, zoom in more on the timeline with the mouse wheel.

You can use the playback rate to do this looping playback at a slower speed.

You also have the JKL scrub keys. Hold down K and use L and J for slower scrub speeds.

If you hold the mouse pointer over the track cursor and hold down Ctrl you can then left-click and scrub, but I don't find this particularly useful (playback to fast)

Another way to scrub back and forth quickly is to move the mouse pointer over the playback rate control and use the mouse wheel. steps up and down in 0.25% jumps, or hold down Ctrl for fine scrub adjustment.

Hope something here suits you!
Raquel wrote on 3/11/2004, 12:15 PM
Thank you ibliss, your first suggestion worked great.

Jsnkc, I never thought of actually looking at the audio peaks. Thank you to everyone who replied :)
busterkeaton wrote on 3/11/2004, 12:33 PM
Racquel,

As you may have gathered, the function you are describing is called scrubbing. You can search the help or this forum for scrubbing, if you ever need more help.

A really handle device to have is Contour Shuttlepro. It makes scrubbing, fastforwarding, and moving frame by frame a breeze. It's really nice. It's also got 15 programmable buttons.
http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/index.htm
Raquel wrote on 3/11/2004, 12:55 PM
Buster, I searched the help files and found the "Scrub on timeline" feature.

http://alleniversonfantasy.com/scrub.jpg

Thing is, I keep trying to get my cursor to turn into that icon that is displayed there, but I can't. I'm hovering over the timeline, and pressing CTRL, and I also have the "Allow Ctrl+drag cursor style scrub over events " box checked in Preferences.
busterkeaton wrote on 3/11/2004, 12:58 PM
I've never done it that way. Have you tried using the JKL keys?

I found that way is pretty easy.
Raquel wrote on 3/11/2004, 1:05 PM
Yup, I'm using the JKL keys. I guess I'm just too used to dragging the marker :P
ibliss wrote on 3/11/2004, 2:28 PM
"hovering over the timeline, and pressing CTRL,"

This only works when you are over a blank section of the timeline, not over an event itself.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 3/11/2004, 4:54 PM
See Raquel, you NEED to do it your way in Premiere. I did syncing the same way when I used Premiere. But, in Vegas you can have a loop playing (loop from time A to B) and move the events while the loop is playing (tip: to sync up the music even more, disable Quanatize to Frame, then you can move your music by less then frame increments). Then if something is off, just move it slightly. In Premiere you can't, so you need to scrup to see how thing look/sound.

After using the Vegas way (eigther loop, JKL, or zoom in) you'll find it easier. :)

For for you to get the "go back to premiere" line from people you need to really really really really really really really really bug us. :) Do a search for "zippy" :) You'll see.
Raquel wrote on 3/11/2004, 5:10 PM
Oh I know from experience how annoying help questions are, so I wouldn't bug anyone when looking for help :)
TheHappyFriar wrote on 3/11/2004, 6:58 PM
Well, it's not his asking for help, it was the "can Vegas edit video?" type of questions. :)
Raquel wrote on 3/11/2004, 7:31 PM
I'm a girl ^_^
swarrine wrote on 3/11/2004, 8:29 PM
Raquel-

Vegas will not scrub like Premiere. Not even close.

You will need to find alternative method that works for you.

I am a former Premiere user and the scrubbing thing bugged me too. Overall, Vegas worked better for me so I learned to live w/o scrubbing (ala Premiere).

For me, I check the "make spacebar play/stop" in preferences and then I hit my spacebar and esc key to find a cue point and use the arrow keys to fine tune.
Raquel wrote on 3/12/2004, 6:28 AM
Thanks Swarrine, that was helpful. Also helpful was slowing down the audio to a crawl, so I can pinpoint better.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 3/12/2004, 9:15 AM
I was refering to Zippy as "him" not you. :)