Rec Consumer brand HDV camcorder

Bit Of Byte wrote on 4/8/2008, 3:12 AM
Team.

I currently have a Cannon MVX35i Mini Camcorder. It is tape with Standard DV.

Just wondering if it worth the switch upgrading to HDV?

Just part time family capturing and editing with Vegas.

I understand HDV is compressed when put onto media within camera.

From what I read on here, it seems using tape for HDV is painful when trying to edit..?

What is a good mode I should consider lookign at ($1000-$1500 USD range)?

Min requirements -
Carl Zeis Lense
3CCD
Superior battery life
SDHC compatibility (maybe)
24p Cinsecope (maybe)
HDMI™ connectivity
30 FPS progressive at 1080P
LINK® Interface (IEEE1394)
mic and headphone jacks
FIRE WIRE Device
Optical Lens Capture
HDV2 (25MB/s throughput and high-resolution) if HDD

Is tape still the best media to record footage onto?

I want qaulity video as the end result and unsure about using SSD, flash or HDD on the camera and how it relates to compression and then having to decompress for editing in Vegas and then compressing again - onto DVD.

Thougths?

Cam

Comments

Bit Of Byte wrote on 4/8/2008, 5:13 AM
What do u guys use?
Steve Mann wrote on 4/9/2008, 9:59 AM
Not in that price range. I've not seen any camera with HDMI output. I have no idea what Cinescope is. 30 FPS at 1080p, I don't think any camera does that. Link interface? Do you mean Sony iLink, which is not IEEE488? Firewire (an Apple trademark) *is* IEEE488, and most, maybe all HDV cameras have this. HDV2? do you mean HDV Type-2? The difference between them is that type-2 has a longer GOP and different compression rates than type-1. JVC makes HDV type-1 cameras and Canon and Sony use type-2. HDV type 1 and 2 are not compatible with each other.

Since you seem intent on adding the trademark symbols when they aren't necessary (in a public forum), Carl Zeiss and HDV are also trademarked names.

Basically, you have speced a camera that does not exist.

Rather than shopping specs, why not shop for a solution - describe how you plan to use the camera, *then* shop for a camera that will meet most of the requirements of the planned use.
johnmeyer wrote on 4/9/2008, 10:25 AM
Go to the local store and look at the Canon HV-30 (the HV-20 is the very similar predecessor and would also be fine, if still available). It is HDV. There is a similar class model from Sony, but I don't remember the model off the top of my head.

HDV is going to have far fewer issues than AVCHD when editing. I edit HDV all the time and while it is a little slower on playback and a LOT slower when rendering, it is still pretty straightforward to deal with.

As for tape vs. HDD or memory cards, I have advised everyone who is NOT a full-time videographer to stay away from these. Reasons:

1. Archiving. You have to archive the video to something. You can't just put a tape on the shelf, because the HDD fills up and has to be offloaded, and memory chips are still too expensive (although perhaps not for long).

2. Borrow a cup of sugar. If you are out in the field and you find yourself shooting more than you expected, you can't just go to your neighbor and borrow a cup of sugar or, in this case, borrow or buy a new blank tape. With DV or HDV, the tapes are available everywhere.

Of course, if you do this full time, you probably carry a laptop and a few portable hard drives so you can offload your cameras (or back them up), and if that describes you, then you can ignore my advice.
Spot|DSE wrote on 4/9/2008, 10:49 AM
2. Borrow a cup of sugar. If you are out in the field and you find yourself shooting more than you expected, you can't just go to your neighbor and borrow a cup of sugar or, in this case, borrow or buy a new blank tape. With DV or HDV, the tapes are available everywhere.

There are also now the photobanks, that store up to 160GB on a portable SATA drive, they take about 4 mins to download 20 mins of HDV from a CF card. Merax is distributing them.
I agree, tape is a great tool still...John, if you're at NAB, look me up for the Tapeless session. I'll get you a pass.
bakerja wrote on 4/9/2008, 12:06 PM
I second the HV30 recomendation.

JAB
MarkHolmes wrote on 4/9/2008, 12:31 PM
I third the Canon HV-30 / HV-20 recommendation. Have a HV20 and am extremely pleased with it. Actually intercut the footage into an HVX feature this week. You can see a bunch of HV20 footage at the Vimeo HV20 Channel:

http://www.vimeo.com/HV20

Also look at this forum for a bunch of HV20 info:

http://hv20.com/index.php

And the HV20 does have HDMI, 24P, and many of your other requirements, although it's CMOS, not CCD. Personally, I prefer CMOS over CCD and think that's the direction video is headed. Good luck!
Bit Of Byte wrote on 4/9/2008, 2:49 PM
How does sony sr12 rate agasint the HV30?

Can you record HDV to the SR12 HDD?

Bit
johnmeyer wrote on 4/9/2008, 3:11 PM
Google is your friend:


Google Search for Sony HDR-SR12

I am not aware of ANY camera that can record in more than one HD format, although most HDV cameras can record in the SD-resolution DV format.

I think you may find a lot more information here:

The Great HD Shoot-Out - Canon HV20, Sony HDR-HC7, Panasonic HDC-SD1, JVC GZ-HD7

and in other posts on that same site than you will here.
busterkeaton wrote on 4/9/2008, 3:33 PM
Also, a few notes on some of your requirements.

Carl Zeiss Lens --Sony uses Zeiss lens Canon makes its own lenses, they are high quality though.

3CCD
Most of the cameras in your price point are single chip for HD, CMOS seems to be the popular chip type these days. Also the chips have improved so 3CCD is not necessary for good quality at the consumer level

LINK® Interface (IEEE1394)
FIRE WIRE Device

iLINK is 1394 is FIREWIRE

Optical Lens Capture
You probably mean either Optical Lens stabilization or Optical Zoom here.

You would do well to check out the camcorder review sites. I don't think you need cutting edge technology, I would recommend HDV which is proven technology, is going to be giant leap over your previous SD footage and you can get some great, advanced cameras from last year for under $1,000.
Steve Mann wrote on 4/9/2008, 6:01 PM
You are correct, iLink=1394=Firewire. I was thinking LANC.