Red Frames AGAIN! 1080P Events

Byron K wrote on 3/1/2010, 2:12 PM

Encountering the red frame issue when editing movie clips from a Sanyo Xacti VPC-FH1. Everthing was fine until I inserted the 12th video clip. The clip is good as I can insert it into Corel Video Studio Pro X3 and it plays back fine and render w/ out any problems.

Upon reopening the application and removing the last clip the red frames appear and can no longer play back or edit.

I've encountered this with 720P movies and have reverted back to 9B. 720P movies edit fine. Now 1080P 60FPS movies do not seem to be working properly.

Thanks in advance, any assistance is greatly appreciated.

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handleyj wrote on 3/3/2010, 9:04 PM

Ah! Very interesting. I just realized that one of the other things I'm doing differently in my current project is using 720p footage instead of 1080. I think other people have seen the red frames with very large PNGs (and other still graphics files). So perhaps it's just a dimensions issue. Maybe something like Gearshift could create 720p proxy files for editing, then allow you to render out using the 1080 source files...? Hmm....

Byron K wrote on 3/4/2010, 12:04 PM

Thanks for the response. Great suggestions.

Here's the discrepancy:
- I'm not using any jpg or png files for this project.
- I can and do use proxy files rendered down to 720p and they work great BUT when I change the proxy files back to original 1920x1080 to render that's were everything blows up.
- When I restart Vegas 9 using the oringinal footage, it *BURPS* up the message "An error occured opening the media file"
- WTF??

Like I mentioned above, I'm just using the free 30 day trial of Corel Video Studio Pro X3 for now. The GUI is a little cheezy, does't have the power and flexability as Vegas but it works.

BTW, I have opened a ticket w/ Sony tech so am anxiously awaiting a respone.

Laurence wrote on 3/5/2010, 4:21 AM

The footage you are trying to edit is highly compressed and a. Form of long GOP type compression. This means that not every frame is independently compressed and in order for Vegas to work with these files, it needs to sort of buffer back and forth at the beginning of each clip to the nearest completely drawn frame. This can take more buffering memory than Vegas has allocated and is why you start to have problems once you have a certain number of these clips on the timeline.

An easy solution is to use a script like proxy stream and convert all your clips to an easily editable format like .mxf. This is also a long GOP format, but it is one that is optimized for editing in Vegas. Editing the converted clips will be a breeze and the quality will be wonderful.

Jay Gladwell wrote on 3/5/2010, 4:58 AM

The few times I've had red frames, I simply closed the project (not Vegas) and reopened it. The frames were gone.

Byron K wrote on 3/5/2010, 2:52 PM

Thanks guys for the suggestions. I've used and really like Proxy Stream script and just tried it to convert my 1080p 60fps clips but was unable to convert to 60fps.

It seems that Proxy Stream can only convert either 720p 60fps OR 1080p 30fps.

I'll have to experiment to see if there's another format that will convert to 1080p 60fps that will play well and looks good in Vegas 9.

I posted a question about this on the Proxy Stream thread. Hope someone can assist with this.

It would be icing on my cake if I could edit this only in Vegas 9 and not have to go between 2 apps. (;

Again, thanks for all your assistance.

-bK

Byron K wrote on 4/13/2010, 1:30 AM

My Red Frames issues seems to have been resolved w/ 9d.

Loaded a 1080p 60fps AVCHD project w/ jpg and png files that consistently caused red frames and have not had a problem (so far). Been working w/ a bunch of other projects this evening that were pending this fix and so far so good. Getting pretty consistent frame rates of 59fps w/ short intermittent jerks once in a while but much better performance than before.

The Auto White Balance is a pretty nice tool. Though not perfect, it gets the colors in the ball park then fine tune with color corrector.

LReavis wrote on 4/13/2010, 12:24 PM

Early on I decided that it was not a good idea to edit the 60p files from my HF1 and HD2000 directly in Vegas, so I always convert to either PicVideo or Cineform. In the process, I also color correct and deshake as necessary. That way, when I put the PicVideo or Cineform clips on the timeline for editing, much of the heavy lifting already has been done. It's another step in the process of making a movie, but this makes for nice preview and easy rendering.

Incidentally, the Cineform 60p files (from NeoScene), although large and a bit slower to create than PicVideo, are visually lossless - even after 6 generations of re-compression. Now that I have the Panasonic TM700 with its much higher image quality (1000 horizontal lines compared to 650 for the Sanyo cams, according to CamcorderInfo.com), I'll be using Cineform in all cases.