Handbrake native denoise is very good. They're all going to be slow.

I highly recommend NeatVideo- it uses the GPU well and is much faster than VEGAS Denoise. But Denoise comes free with it so feel free to do a test!

I use Denoise. It's ok.

thanks

I highly recommend NeatVideo- it uses the GPU well and is much faster than VEGAS Denoise.

you are right @RogerS

I used the Denioise FX for the whole track and I had Average speed 2 or 3 fps. Without Denoise FX I have 27.56 fps.

Why? Can I use Denoise FX and have a decent rendering speed?

I pay for Vegas Pro 21 not for a plugin from outside.

The plugin does come with Vegas. And yes, it's slow, but it's still there. If you want a better performing plugin, you will have to pay for it. Again, you can use the built in one with Vegas, or pay for NeatVideo, which is considered an industry standard.

The people over at NeatVideo (or basically any 3rd party plugin) concentrate their efforts on just that. While Vegas development team have to do work with the entire editing software.

@Reyfox If you buy a new car and it has headlights with very weak lights, the manufacturer tells you: I think it is better to buy other headlights for this new car from the corner store. How would that be?

Or maybe Vegas should write: do not use our plugin. The other is better.

😂😂😂

Let's see. You are comparing a plugin (the one that is not limited to 1080) that costs as much as the entire Vegas Edit on an upgrade, yet it only does on thing. Denoise your video. Yet, you expect Vegas to do the same thing and do everything else the plugin doesn't do, like edit videos.

That is why there are 3rd party plugins for you to purchase if you want more. Like spending more on your car to get better headlights, or a better suspension and a higher output engine. Or, you can continue to drive your car that meets the safety standards, and complain that they should have made it faster, etc

Your original post asked how you can reduce the grain, you have your answer, and it does work. You want faster? Head to the aftermarket shop and pay for the speed you want.

@Serbu-FlaviuGeorge  Your logic behind the denoise filter in Vegas is misguided.... All denoising process is slow, resources intense and a time consuming process. Plugins exists for a specific and essential reason, no one software can do everything well.

Neat video is the best and fastest option currently on the market, and that is why it is always highly recommended, and was offered to you as an option to consider.

I know you want a better native denoise plugin included with Vegas.

One good way to go about this is to start a new thread, sans editorial, with "Feature Request" in the title. The dev team is understaffed, overworked, but still responsive.

In the meantime, another feature of Handbrake is the inclusion of the venerable NLMeans denoise algorithm, which is a favorite of pixel-peepers, ungodly slow (it is a kernel-level filter), and incredibly powerful in the right hands. That is in addition to the very good (and faster) hqn3d algorithm, which is good enough for the masses, and works very well on grainy and high-motion sources (such as Fargo and The Matrix).

So, you have some free alternatives without becoming a command-line junkie. Good luck!

Voukoder, which is a way to render through VEGAS, also has these features available and is free (donation ware)

Here's a comparison

*nlmeans has been placed on the timeline, it's not processing in real time

I like all of them except Vegas's noise reduction, it's using 220watts but giving poor results and 10fps. Neat is very efficient, using almost 1/2 the GPU power of Vegas and did not drop any frames on playback, Resolve NR was getting about 20fps

So, you have some free alternatives without becoming a command-line junkie. Good luck!

@mark-y - Excellent!

@Serbu-FlaviuGeorge - I use Neat Video. It's fast and responsive to my wishes. I can try a denoikse Profile setup and if I don't like it I can start again, or, there's another option to Tweak what I've ready spent time on creating what NV calls a Profile. Here's a link to Try before you buy opportunity:

https://www.neatvideo.com/download/demo/nv5svd

Also, here's ALL the changes the NV have made over the years. I'm posting it here to invite to recognise that the NV Team is always looking to improve:

https://www.neatvideo.com/features/version-history/nv5sv?os-tab=win#win_5_5_9

I'm running NV 5.5.1 and have had NV optimized for my RTX3080 GPU. For me, just this Feature has paid for itself:

OK, the big decision to make is will you invest your money in this product or not? Against which are you willing and comfortable to spend much time and hassle (££$$) in learning the Dark Arts of pixel peaking, so admirably describe by @mark-y above, or get the benefit outcomes of NV, right now? There's no doubt that the time invested in doing truly astonishing value of the more scientific appproach, @mark-y, will deliver astonishing results. Again, you need to way up your learning curve and the power or not of PC and you could be entering a world of hurt for an outcome that finally doesn't deliver.

@Serbu-FlaviuGeorge as to your wishes presented here:

@Reyfox  If you buy a new car and it has headlights with very weak lights, the manufacturer tells you: I think it is better to buy other headlights for this new car from the corner store. How would that be?

Or maybe Vegas should write: do not use our plugin. The other is better.

I must admit, 20 years ago I felt the same as you. But now, and for a loooong time there's just so many collaborations being forged and developed with third part FX companies and Scripters that make Vegas Pro a delight to use and allow me to get to my Narrative so fast I can't why I'd think of baulking at purchase additionality for VP. As has been mentioned, TeamVegas just don't have the money to develop this stuff, are you going to stand on the sidelines getting nre and more frusted with the Team, or are you going to, at least, Try Before You Buy from Team Neat Video who has had to work alongside TeamVegas to produce this awesone product?

If you buy a new car and it has headlights with very weak lights, the manufacturer tells you: I think it is better to buy other headlights for this new car from the corner store

.A timely comparison because last week on a local talkback radio station, a very experienced car expert in his weekly guest appearance did in fact say that some cars produced in Asia come with weak headlights because those vehicles have been designed for local markets where most driving occurs in city and built-up areas, so strong headlights aren't all that necessary. But those same vehicles are exported to other countries such as Australia where rural/country driving is much more common and thus good headlights are essential. It's then a case for car buyers with rural driiving requirements to maybe consider other vehicles.

Notwithstanding, the motoring market is swamped with aftermarket products and adding to or updating equipment is far from unusual even in the modern era where cars are so well equipped to start off with.

Ditto for film/video-makers (pro, semi-pro or hobbyist). The industry is also swamped with aftermarket equipment (checkout Amazon or B&H in NYC). My semi-pro Sony 4K camera has an inbuilt microphone - it works. But aftermarket microphones from companies such as Rode, Sennheiser provide superior results than the inbuilt microphones included in OEM products. Is Sony (or other camera manufacturers for that matter) ever likely to include as original equipment a microphone of equal quality to Rode/Sennheiser microphones with their consumer or semi-pro cameras? I think not. Ditto with phone cameras. They have built-in microphones but some (e.g. Apple) have the capability to add you own aftermarket microphone if so desired. Ditto with GoPro cameras.

It's the same with NLEs in regards to video and audio effects. Their native effects work - but 3rd party companies specialising in their specialised fields offer products that do things better or very much better than those features in NLEs - not just Vegas Pro but most if not all NLEs.

It's the same with NLEs in regards to video and audio effects. Their native effects work - but 3rd party companies specialising in their specialised fields offer products that do things better or very much better than those features in NLEs - not just Vegas Pro but most if not all NLEs.

@Dexcon - Well said. Maybe the VP Denoise FX should be removed and stop all the verbal noise about it? Or, if I’m to be radically ironic about it, having its presence in VP could possibly persuade VegHeads to go and choose an alternative? Kinda turns the Demo Model on its head and allows the Host sw to become the way into the alternative. Now, there’s me being cynical 🤨. Surely this can’t be the case 😉.

@Grazie  ...

Now, there’s me being cynical 🤨. Surely this can’t be the case 😉.

Never! Perish the thought!

I'm glad that the topic is about noise reduction and not stablisation - that would be like 'walking on egg shells' because there's no one easy 'best' like with noise reduction (Neat).

I do not have neat video, but I do have Topaz video AI, which has noise reduction as well in different AI model flavors. Then there is Boris BCC denoise. I did some experiments with low light deer nature shots, and Vegas own is not to bad, very slow, but actually on par or even better than the very fast Davinci resolve denoise (and better than Boris)

Topaz is evolving fast, and they are experts in still photo noise reduction, almost as good as DXO's deep prime noise reduction.

@bitman  ... Give the trial version of NEAT a try ... it will be very interesting to see your conclusion in comparing it to the others. The only one of those that I haven't tried is Topaz.

Here's a demo of NV on some pretty noisy footage. The 30 sec clip took 25 sec to render so it's pretty quick as well.

I can upload the test clip if someone wants to try it and report back on their results.

@Dexcon ... and you can give Topaz a free try 😀

Here's a demo of NV on some pretty noisy footage.

@wwaag - You just demonstrated just how efficient and successful Neat Video is. Well done! 👍

@bitman  ... Give the trial version of NEAT a try ... it will be very interesting to see your conclusion in comparing it to the others. The only one of those that I haven't tried is Topaz.

@Reyfox, @Steve_Rhoden, @Dexcon, @Steve_Rhoden and all others,

I tried NV, it's good and it's fast. But it scares me how many Vegas users blame an in-house FX. If I were the boss of Vegas, I would put the technical team in a meeting. On the Vegas forum, Vegas users say that something we Vegas people are doing is not good. It is unacceptable. Take out brother FX and put it when it will be at the level of the competition. I don't have time to experiment. My clients call me and ask me: come on, what are you doing? is the spot ready? is my wedding ready? So, I take what can be used. I appreciate all of you who have information and thank you. At least I understood that I don't have to rely on Denoise FX anymore (at least for now)

@Serbu-FlaviuGeorge If you are a professional, and time is money, do not hesitate to invest in the best and fastest, like Neat Video. That being said, I just found out I have some legacy new blue FX plugin for noise reduction as well in my toolbox. To many choices!