Region and SubClip ????

hazzardm wrote on 2/15/2008, 8:03 AM

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I am a new VMS 8.0c user, changed over from Ulead due to instability issues.

My desired workflow is to work through many hours of basketball game videos looking for "great" plays. Each .m2t video file (no scene splitting) is in a specific folder on my capture drive. I have created a Basketball project, and created a MediaBin for each girl, and I am looking to capture video segment highlights for each girl.

I recently experimented with Regions and SubClips in the Trimmer. I cannot think of a way to acheive this editting on the Timeline. I visualize the Timeline as a place to fine tune rather then full scale edit.

The issues encountered were:

The Trimmer provides a Save Regions and Markers button, but I could find where they were stored. This meant no way of retrieving them for the timeline. The Explorer provides a Markers/Regions view option. This view option produces a window of information below the file selected, but I never could see Regions or Markers show up in this area. From the looks of it, I would expect to select a video clip, and have the above informaiton show up below.

I could not find a way specifiy the folder for storing a generated SubClip. I would actually prefer this workflow to regions, but really need to specify different folders for different SubClips. This would be very similar to my previous Ulead workflow.

Sooo,
1. Is anyone familiar with how/where Region information is stored from the Trimmer?

2. Is there a way to generate a SubClip to a specific folder?

3. Is the Timeline any differrent then the Trimmer in this regards?

3. Does Pro 8 address these issues?

Thanks!

Comments

OhMyGosh wrote on 2/15/2008, 9:57 AM

Hi Hazzard,
Since I'm a genius today, I thought I better 'strike while the iron's hot' ;)

'Copied from different thread to prevent hijak'
What does that mean?

'I visualize the Timeline as a place to fine tune rather then full scale edit.'
Not sure about everyone else, but I have never used the 'Trimmer.' Seems like extra time and trouble to me. I do all my editting on the timeline, but I will let others weigh in on that.

As for what I think you are trying to accomplish, here is the best solution that I have. Open a Vegas project for each girl (don't know how many girls on a team.........) and name it accordingly: a,b,c,d, etc. Don't open a new project from inside Vegas, as that will close the current one. Then start splitting your clips where you want keep the video (save a little extra video on the front and backside of the clip so you have some working room). If you want to use the clip in more than one video, copy the piece and then open the tab on the bottom of your computer screen for the projects you want it to go into, and paste. If it is just going into one different project, select it, and cut it, and paste it into the one you want. May not be the 'slickest' way to do it, but I have done it in the past and it goes pretty good once you get a system going. Let us know if this helps in some way. Cin

hazzardm wrote on 2/17/2008, 8:25 PM

Thanks for the input Cin.

I've done some experimenting(i.e. RTFM) this weekend, and this is what I have came up with.

I've got my raw m2t files in a folder structure based on weekend of games played. Then by loading each m2t in to the Trimmer, I am able to mark Named Regions on each file. I am not sure what I did wrong the other day, but I can now indeed associate Regions to input files. Although the Regions(clips to me) are not organized by player/caegory, I can still easily work through the dozem m2t files and move the aptly Named Region to desired location on project timeline.

I have found that for some reason, pressing R on the Trimmer does nothing for me. I run Vista64 with VMS 8.0c, and i need to mark a loop , and then create the Region from the loop with a name. Probably wrong terminology here, but it will serve its purpose.

'Copied from different thread to prevent hijak'

I asked this question in a thread remotely related to the topic at hand, and should not have distracted from the focus of that thread.

'I visualize the Timeline as a place to fine tune rather then full scale edit.'

To me editing on the timeline works well for sequential or chronologically sequenced videos, but these basketball clips are very much a jumble of catch as catch can. For me it helps to organize by player, and that would require roughly 15 or more video tracks. Ulead did provide a nice way organizing sub-clips, so i may try these as well.

I wonder if VMS would smart render m2t timeline to a m2t subclip. By smart render, I mean no intermediate rendering???

Thanks again
Mike