Render Setting Question

donnier wrote on 11/19/2009, 12:01 PM
I have a movie in Movie Studio 9 that is slightly over 2 hours long. When I render for sending to DVD Architect - I get a file that is 7 gig - way too large for the DVD.

Is there a setting that will get me a file that will fit on a DVD? I mean hollywood movies are longer than my movie and they fit on DVD's.

Can someone help me.

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Eugenia wrote on 11/19/2009, 4:18 PM
Export to an intermediate AVI format instead (or just DV AVI), and then load that AVI to DVDA and let DVDA figure out how to compress it to fit, rather than Vegas.
donnier wrote on 11/19/2009, 6:23 PM
I will give that a try - thank you very much.
donnier wrote on 11/21/2009, 12:46 PM
Ok

What I tried did not work. Video but no sound.

When I click on make movie, I chose save to hard drive.
The only AVI file type I have to select from is Video for Windows .AVI
I select that and it tells me the file size will be >32 GB
When I use MPEG-2 I get a file size of only 6.5 GB - which when I try to make a DVD is too large to fit on a DVD. I assume that the AVI will not fit either?

Splitting a 2 hour movie in half so I can put on DVD's sux. There has to be a way to may this work?
Eugenia wrote on 11/22/2009, 1:01 AM
You exported wrongly. You exported uncompressed, not as DV AVI. DV AVI is 24 GBs for 2 hours (12 GBs per hour, which is 1 tape), not over 32 GBs.
rondi wrote on 11/22/2009, 10:39 AM
Perhaps the confusion is---The .avi file is NOT the end result from DVDA--don't worry about the size for now. So "Prepare" (read Render) using DVDA with your .avi file. As you click thru the menu you will see the "Estimated Project size".

You can click the "Optimize" button and you will see more info. If it is more the 4.7gb, you can reduce the bit rate from 8 Mbps to reduce the size. PQ might suffer a little, but at least it's on 1 DVD.

You can check your audio and video using Preview in DVDA too. Make sure you check your chapter markers, because--at least for me--sometimes the CM's don't transfer from VMS to DVDA.

I'm not the expert Eugenia is, but i've rendered lots of close to full DVD's. They were all smaller .avi files with a menu to choose which one.

hth, Ron
donnier wrote on 11/22/2009, 2:44 PM
OK - clearly I'm confused, so one step at a time so maybe you and/or Eugenia can help me figure out where I'm messing up.

I'm in Vegas Movie Studio - looking at my project. It is a total of 2 hours and 23 minutes long.

At the top of my screen I select "Make Movie". Is this correct? When I do that I get 5 choices-
1. save to my hard drive
2. burn to a dvd, blu ray, or cd
3. upload to web
4. save to camera or portable device
5. email it

I select Number 1 and get a screen with choices for file path, format, and template. Under format I have selections
1. MPEG-1
2. MPEG-2
3. Quicktime 7
4. Real Video
5. Sony AVC
6. Video for Windows (this is the only one with and avi format
7. Windows movie video

I assume I choose # 6. When I do, under the template selection there is a NTSC DV choice, I assume I use that one. With those selections - the estimated size is 31.82 GB.

If I render this file and send to DVDA, and insert into a project in DVDA, I get a message at the bottom right of my screen that says - file too large for media.

Where am I going wrong?
donnier wrote on 11/22/2009, 5:22 PM
Even more fun.

When I render using the above steps, and try to add to a DVDA project - I get a message "unsupported file format"

I am clearly lost.

Helllpppppppp!
Terry Esslinger wrote on 11/23/2009, 10:57 AM
If your goal is to have a dvd why not choose #2 at the beginning? It eventually has to be MPEG2 in order to be on a DVD and DVDA should 'fit to disc"
donnier wrote on 11/23/2009, 11:54 AM
If I choose #2 - I get the message that my file is too large for my media.
Terry Esslinger wrote on 11/23/2009, 4:11 PM
The bit rate has to be adjusted. In the Pro version it allows us to do that. Is that not possible in the Studio version?
richard-amirault wrote on 11/23/2009, 4:58 PM
Dosen't DVD Architect have the option to shrink an overlarge file down to fit?
rondi wrote on 11/24/2009, 10:01 AM
Hi,
"I select Number 1 and get a screen with choices for file path, format, and template. Under format I have selections
1. MPEG-1
2. MPEG-2
3. Quicktime 7
4. Real Video
5. Sony AVC
6. Video for Windows (this is the only one with and avi format
7. Windows movie video

I assume I choose # 6. When I do, under the template selection there is a NTSC DV choice, I assume I use that one. "
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This is the way i have always done it and i have never had a problem---BUT i have never created a file 32BG--that's a big file. I just finished making a DVD which had a total of 13GB of 9 .avi files. The finished size of the DVD was 4.2GB (per Windows Explorer).

I have no solution for you, except to experiment with the .avi file size from VMS. Remember when you edit your file(s) in VMS--you do not change the original file, (you save the changes in the .vf file) so start removing sections and follow the procedure above and see what file size will work ok in DVDA. Don't save your .avi file with the original name---always name it something else--so your original file is always unchanged.

As other posters have mentioned, and i did too, in DVDA you can adjust your bit rate to make DVD files smaller--but you will loose some video quality--I've never had to do this so i can't say how much.

hth, Ron

musicvid10 wrote on 11/24/2009, 11:39 AM
Your movie is 2 hours -- it will fit quite nicely on a standard DVD at 4 - 4.5Mbs.
Whether you render to MPEG-2 or AVI in VMS, it will need to be rendered again in DVDA to fit on the disc. Other than upgrading to Vegas Pro, there is no way to control the MPEG-2 encoding bitrate in Studio.

I would follow the advice previously offered, and stop allowing yourself to get stuck at the little message in the bottom right-hand corner of Architect. In summary, that advice is:

-- Render to DV-AVI (not Uncompressed) using the appropriate template in VMS. The reason is that the subsequent render in DVDA will retain more quality than if you give it a large MPEG-2 video file to re-render.
--Import that media into your DVDA Project, making sure the project properties are set correctly.
--Click "Make DVD" and use the appropriate "Fit to Disc" or "Optimize" functions to render and prepare your DVD folder on your hard drive. This will take a long time.

If followed, the advice here will lead you to success, as long as you do not let a simple message put even more roadblocks in your way. Good luck!
donnier wrote on 11/24/2009, 5:47 PM
More than one person is saying to render in VMS to DV-AVI. I do not find that option / setting. The only choice I have for AVI is Video for Windows. Under that choice there is a template for DVD NTSC. Is this what you mean?
musicvid10 wrote on 11/24/2009, 6:05 PM
The only choice I have for AVI is Video for Windows. Under that choice there is a template for DVD NTSC.

Uhh, there is no template choice for "DVD NTSC" under AVI options.

If what you really mean is "NTSC DV" the answer is yes. You need to be precise in your wording here.
In other words, the DV templates under the AVI main menu are DV-AVI. If you are in the US, that is NTSC DV AVI. If you are in Europe, that is PAL DV AVI.

"DV" and "DVD" are two completely different things.
DV is AVI
DVD is MPEG-2
There are lots of good beginning tutorials on the internet. Google is your friend.
donnier wrote on 11/24/2009, 6:52 PM
My bad, I meant NTSC DV.

That is what I've tried previously. I will try it again and this time when I send it to DVDA, I will try to get it to fit onto one DVD.

This is really turning out to be rocket science. :)
musicvid10 wrote on 11/24/2009, 6:58 PM
No, it is not rocket science. Most people are able to create a DVD using VMS and DVDA. If that was not so, they would not be sold as consumer software.
Follow the instructions above, or follow the tutorials included with your programs. There is plenty of good information already in this thread to lead you to success.
rrrrob wrote on 1/7/2010, 3:36 PM
first, render the video in Vegas Movie Studio to Mpeg-2 file format. Choose the template for DVD Architect Video Stream (either widescreen or standard screen, depending on your source and desired output). This will render an mpeg-2 file that should fit easily on your hard drive and that works well with the DVD Architect Program.

THEN, however, you have to render the audio separately, as the above procedure only renders an audio stream. Select render again, but this time render the same section of your timeline as an audio-only file (use the AC3 format).

Now, go to DVD Architect and import the video and then the audio track. Do your authoring (menus, backgrounds, etc.) and select Make DVD. You will then get a serious of pop up screens...at some point you will come across an Optimize button that will allow you to adjust the video quality to just fit on your disk (or you can select the 'fit to disk' option).
kjonnnn wrote on 1/7/2010, 7:40 PM
I'm with you. I"m an network administrator. I've done tech support. I've even made movies in other programs... with no where the difficult I find VMS. The snarkiness is unnecessary in some of the responses. I've cut one of my vids down to an hour and 15 minutes. And the file is still too big. It doesn't make sense to split up a 2 hour video. I thought this was an upgrade. Unless someone can help.. with out the snarkfest... I'm going back to my lessor quality program.
richard-amirault wrote on 1/8/2010, 6:01 AM
I've cut one of my vids down to an hour and 15 minutes. And the file is still too big. It doesn't make sense to split up a 2 hour video.

The file is too big .. but DVDA will make it fit the DVD. When you import it to DVDA and you get the "file too big" message ... look for a button/option to "optimize" or "fit to disk" and DVDA will that that "too big" file and make it fit.
HaroldC wrote on 1/8/2010, 5:57 PM
Donnier, it can be intimidating. But it is worth learning the software. Two methods have been presented in the above responses.

1. Edit, mark your chapters and anything else you wish to do. Then using VMS render into a DV AVI file. The using DVD Architect import the DV AVI file and create your menus/submenus. Then mash 'make dvd'. When you get to the window that says which files are to large to fit to disc, you mash 'optimize'. Then on the next screen you mash 'fit to disc'. DVDA will automatically calibrate what bit rate will be needed to fit the video and any menu/submenus onto the dvd you have. DVDA will render the DV AVI file into mpeg2 video and then into dvd audio and video files. I believe you stated it was a single layer. This works just fine. It does take a very long time however but quality remains good.

2. The other method given is to use VMS and after editing, adding media and placing markers render into mpeg2. Then import into DVDA. Create your menu/submenus. Mash 'make dvd'. Then when you get to the window that says which files are to large to fit to disc, you mash 'optimize'. Then on the next screen you mash 'fit to disc'. DVDA will re-render the mpeg2 file into a smaller file then turn into dvd audio and video files. This also takes a very long time and is of considerably poorer quality.

There is a third way. You can create the movie as you normally would. Use VMS to edit, add media and place markers. Render into mpeg2 using VMS. Import the mpeg2 into DVDA. Create your menus/submenus in DVDA. Mash 'make dvd'. Prepare the dvd even though it won't fit onto a single layer dvd. Then once it has processed use a program like dvdshrink to shrink it down to fit onto a single layer dvd. It's quicker and quality is good. VMS is better to use to render video in that it is faster than DVDA.