render to 24p AVI possible?

rs170a wrote on 11/7/2006, 8:22 PM
I'm not talking about 23.976.
I've got files from an animation student that were done using ToonBoom (2D animation software) which is straight 24 fps and he'd like the final render (AVI but not uncompressed due to the file size)) to be pure 24 as well (no pulldown). I thought I could do this but gave up after not finding a template for it.
Is this possible or am I just getting needlessly confused?

Mike

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Chienworks wrote on 11/7/2006, 8:45 PM
What do you need a template for? Type in 24.
rs170a wrote on 11/7/2006, 8:55 PM
Whenever I try that (using the NTSC DV template as a starter), it kicks me back to 29.97 :-(
I'm missing something but I don't know what.

Mike
rs170a wrote on 11/8/2006, 3:57 AM
Anybody else have any ideas or comments?

Mike
GregFlowers wrote on 11/8/2006, 1:08 PM
As you have discovered, you can't render a true 24 fps DV AVI, only 29.97 fps or 23.976 fps with a pulldown. You have several options you can choose depending on what the video will be used for next.

If further work like compositing or special effects work will be done to the video, you can render at 24 fps to uncompressed, but like you said the file will be huge. You can render to the virtually lossless Sony YUV or Huffy UV (free) codecs for about a third of the size of uncompressed. If you need to maintain an alpha channel (transparency) you must render to uncompressed. Because of files sizes, playback using any of these codecs may be poor.

I you just want to render to a file for good playback, you could use the free DIVX AVI codec or just forget AVI and render a 24 fps mpeg2 file. Either will be small with good quality playback, but not the best choice if additional work will be done to it.
Chienworks wrote on 11/8/2006, 8:12 PM
Ahhh, sorry, you didn't say DV in your original post. DV is a very fixed format and allows almost no changes.
rs170a wrote on 11/9/2006, 6:23 AM
...you didn't say DV ...

Sorry about thaty Kelly.
To both you & Greg, my eventual solution (after many renders with various codecs) to prove to the student that they wouldn't be satifactory) was to render it out using the 23.976 (with 2-3 pulldown) option.
As expected, he was pleased with the result.
Thanks for the suggestions on this one.
With the help of this group (and students with questions), I learn more and more about Vegas every day.

Mike

edit: to make matters worse, they use the Cineform codec to render to on their 2D animation stations :-(
Laurence wrote on 11/9/2006, 7:57 AM
Why don't you just slow the 24p down to 23.976? That's what they do on film to DVD releases.