Rendered video jitter/stutter with text overlay on stills

JeffS4653 wrote on 3/5/2021, 1:48 PM

In a project I have been working on I've recently started having a problem with the rendered video stuttering/jittering when text is overlaid on still photos. This problem occurs on multiple PCs rendering the same project, or a similar project with just text over stills. It doesn't appear to matter what codec I render to as I've seen it occur with the Magix AVC, HEVC, intermediate, Sony AVC. Also, each time you render, the visual disturbance is different, and may/may not occur in the same spot. The common thing is it always occurs when text is being displayed. If you remove the text or mute the text track, the render is OK on those stills. I have not seen the problem occur when text is overlaid on video, only still photos. Also, it doesn't happen with all still photos, some stills with text have never had this happen.

It would be best to watch these three short YouTube clips demonstrating what I am seeing after rendering:

I am using Vegas Pro 18 build 434. I just installed VP18 about 2 weeks ago having upgraded from Movie Studio 15 platinum.

This problem happens on two different systems, which have different hardware configurations, so I doubt it is system related.

Both systems are Windows 10 20H2

1) i7-850 w/ 12gb ram, AMD Radeon RX 460 8gb, 500gb SSD

2) i7-7700 w/ 16gb ram, Intel HD 630 8gb & AMD RadeonT R5 430 10gb, 1tb SSD

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j-v wrote on 3/5/2021, 2:05 PM

Which are your projectsettings and exact rendersettings?
 

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JeffS4653 wrote on 3/5/2021, 2:41 PM

For rendering, I've used multiple codecs, but as an example, this one will do it (either GPU or non-GPU assist):

Project Properties:

j-v wrote on 3/5/2021, 2:57 PM

Nothing wrong with them. Sorry, but I cannot help you further because I have no experience with AMD hardware.

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JeffS4653 wrote on 3/5/2021, 3:03 PM

It doesn't matter if you render using the GPU or wholly using the CPU. Same result.

set wrote on 3/5/2021, 3:08 PM

Try set dynamic RAM to 0 and test rerender again.

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red-diamond wrote on 3/5/2021, 8:40 PM

Jeff, What graphic generator are you using? New Blue IV & V have done that exact thing to me. Sometimes I have to scrub the graphic and create a new one..

Also, what is the native photo size? Your project is set to 1080 with a pixel ratio of .8889. Is that correct for your photos which I would think would be 1.0. You also have "Adjust source media to match....." checked. I have found that to cause problems for me. I adjust my media in the Project Media Tab Window by right clicking on the media and choosing Match Project Settings. This is because sometimes each media may have different properties. I don;t understand why this works better but letting Vegas do it automatically by clicking the box under Project Properties doesn't work - at least not with varying video media.

I'd start with your media generator. It may not be updated for VP 18.

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EricLNZ wrote on 3/5/2021, 10:07 PM

Your project is set to 1080 with a pixel ratio of .8889. Is that correct for your photos which I would think would be 1.0.

Is it correct for anything? 0.8889 seems a strange PAR? Is there a reason?

 

JeffS4653 wrote on 3/6/2021, 12:04 PM

Regarding the questions about the pixel aspect ratio, I did not set or change that, so I don't know how it got to be that value. It certainly doesn't match anything on the pull down list. Native photo sizes vary, most are probably significantly greater than 1920x1080 as they came from my collection of scanned negatives, slides, etc. I naturally assumed the program would scale down to match the project of 1920x1080. What should the value be? The intended result is YouTube or display on any 16:9 type monitor or display.

Keep in mind this project started life in Movie Studio 15 Platinum about 8 weeks ago, and a week and a half ago I upgraded to Vegas Pro 18. I brought in my original project file from MS15 (a .vf file) and began continued work on the project, saving now as a .veg file. I had absolutely no problems rendering under MS15, and this problem did not start until I started using Vegas Pro 18. Just to rule out it being a project file import issue, I started with a blank project, used the same photos, put text over them, and got the same render issue.

The media generator is the use built into Vegas Pro 18. I'm just using "Titles and text", and the "(Default)". While I did receive some free software with the upgrade, I'm not sure if I'm actually using it. Please explain how I can check, and how I can upgrade if necessary.

To "Set", which dynamic RAM setting would you like me to try? The one in Preferences->Video->Dynamic RAM Preview Max?

J-Toresen wrote on 3/6/2021, 2:14 PM

JeffS4653

You must create a progressive 1920x1080 project, with pixel aspect ratio = 1.000.
You will probably have to re-crop your photos.

Jøran Toresen

JeffS4653 wrote on 3/6/2021, 3:31 PM

Should I just change that value to 1.0 and see what happens?

J-Toresen wrote on 3/6/2021, 3:41 PM

"Should I just change that value to 1.0 and see what happens?"

Yes. And as a first step try to render a small part of the video with text overlay.

But you probably have to re-crop the photos. Try that as a second step, if necessary.

Please tell us what happens.

Jøran

JeffS4653 wrote on 3/6/2021, 6:39 PM

No Change. The visual disturbance is still there when the titles appear, and rendering it again produces the same results, just differently (or not at all in places it occurs in the previous render). The photos look fine, they don't look like their aspect is off. Assuming you still want me to crop them, what would I crop them too? 1920x1080?

JeffS4653 wrote on 3/10/2021, 7:02 AM

I just wanted to follow up with I appear to have solved the problem. While I think this is a bug in Vegas pro that I will report, the issue went away when I resized the still images to be 1080 high and let the width size automatically based on the photo's crop ratio (most were 1600-1700 wide). Once I did this, and rendered, I no longer saw the problem.

When the project was started in Movie studio (15), I gave no thought to the photo's size and just pulled them into the time line. The program resized them accordingly, as did Vegas Pro 18 to match the project dimensions. The issue apparently is when you use the Media generator's "Titles and text" function over these images.

It was several hours of work to resize and replace all the images in the project, but at least I can continue work now. Thanks to all who offered suggestions.

FREEDOM2001 wrote on 3/23/2021, 9:54 AM

Jeff4653,

Thank you very much for your helpful information to solve this. Actually I have the same problem at least from Vegas pro 17. Especially this was happened easily when I use both text and half transparent color as text background.

I could not find the solution. Therefore I had to make 1st encoding video without text then make 2nd encoding video by adding only text.

I didn't aware your solution.

I hope Magix fixes this issue. Because this is really critical issue to make videos from still pictures.

FREEDOM2001 wrote on 3/26/2021, 7:14 AM

Jeff4653,

I have found fundamental solution. I am not sure this is effective for you case or not.
My solution is to set off to GPU accelerations of video processing on preferences.
Even off, GPU can be used for rendering.