Rendering m2ts Files in HD Platinum 10

M Peters wrote on 11/24/2010, 4:05 PM
I have a new Panasonic HDC-TM700P which shoots beautiful video. When I use the included software to get the video out of the camera it lays it down in an AVCHD format with an m2ts format. Sony Vegas allows me to bring that video in and edit it but when I go to render it using the Sony AVC and AVCHD 1920x1080 60i 5.1 surround template I jet jittery video about 2:30 into the completed render. It start out fine and then it get jumpy. I have tried isolate different things but it gets back to the rendering. I have tried a sample of Power Director and the m2ts renders fine in that program although I cannot stand that program.

Has anyone else run into this issue and if so was there a fix? Using another template or something. I have tried a few of them but with lesser quality results.

Thx

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Eugenia wrote on 11/24/2010, 4:35 PM
Why are you exporting back in m2ts? Unless there's a particular reason, export using MainConcept MP4 instead, with the same properties. Just use enough bitrate for average and maximum (VBR) to ensure quality.
Electro_Fixx wrote on 11/24/2010, 6:00 PM
Hi i have a Panasonic HDC-HS300
AVCHD 1920x1080 60i 5.1 is a pain in Vegas.
It renders fine but theres a playback problem with mostly players.
To fix that use TSMUXER after render it.
its a free tool that fix the m2ts file.
M Peters wrote on 11/24/2010, 8:22 PM
Eugina,

In the process of learning this HD stuff. Assumed the m2ts was the way to go. Based on you answer, I assume you mean the MainConcept MVC/AAC type. Is that the one you mean? Thanks for your input.
M Peters wrote on 11/24/2010, 8:38 PM
Electro Fixx,

I did a simple test and it seemed to work. Now will have to run a more detailed test. Thanks for the input.
Electro_Fixx wrote on 11/25/2010, 3:38 PM
some guys says that TSMUXER fix the playback problem for example with windows Media player (thats my case)
But DVD Architecht 5 don't like the muxed file it crashes.
i didn't try it yet.
they say the .m2ts rendered in vegas plays fine in a standalone player but not in PC.
Eugenia wrote on 11/25/2010, 11:05 PM
Wait. What does DVD Architect has to do with all this. If all you want to do is create an SD DVD, then neither MP4 or .m2ts is the right way to export. Vegas provides in the "render as" dialog a way to export using mpeg2 widescreen NTSC for video, and AC3 for audio (two different files). Then, you use these two files to bring them to DVD Architect.

The MP4 suggestion was for the web, and personal viewing, not for DVDs.
M Peters wrote on 11/26/2010, 6:35 PM
Eugenia,

What I want to do is create an AVCHD DVD. I want to take the HD video from the Panasonic, edit it in Vegas and then use Architect and create the DVD playable on my DVD/Blu ray player.

Any suggestion when I do the Render As which template to use to get this result?
M Peters wrote on 11/26/2010, 6:39 PM
Electro Fixx,

Found that out today. Yes, it plays great in WM Player afer Muxing but not when used in Architect to create a DVD. As I mentioned to Eugenia, I do want to create an AVCHD DVD disc after editing in Vegas and would like it to play in Windows Media too. When I was using Vegas before for SD video, everything worked fine using Architect to create the DVD and play alone in Windows Media.

Any other suggestions?
aquaholik wrote on 12/1/2010, 2:09 PM
Found that out today. Yes, it plays great in WM Player afer Muxing but not when used in Architect to create a DVD. As I mentioned to Eugenia, I do want to create an AVCHD DVD disc after editing in Vegas and would like it to play in Windows Media too. When I was using Vegas before for SD video, everything worked fine using Architect to create the DVD and play alone in Windows Media.

I found out thru trials and errors and help from this forum. If you want WM player to play your rendered .m2ts file, run it thru tsmuxer. If you want to create AVCHD disc without menu that will play fine on the PC using WM player and on the PS3 or other blu ray player that supports AVCHD, use tsmuxer to mux the file and then use it to also create your AVCHD disc folder and then use IMGburn to burn it to regular DVD.

If you want to create the highest quality blu ray disk, then don't render to .m2ts(even though .m2ts is the file format for blu ray disk). Render the video using Mainconcept Mpeg-2 type and Blue Ray 1920 x 1080 60i 25 mbps template. You should get a .m2v file. This is actually faster than rendering to .m2ts. Render the audio separately as Sony Wave64. Give it the same name and put it in the same folder. DVDAS 5 will automatically add the audio when you add the video.

DVDAS 5 does not like AVCHD video(.m2ts). Sometime it will work, sometime it won't. And it doesn't mattered if you ran the file thru tsmuxer. It is rock steady with .m2v and .w64 when creating blue ray disk.

For 1920 x 1080 60i playback using your computer, PS 3, and most Samsung TV, use the .mp4 format. The Samsung TV will play that straight off the hard drive without skipping a beat. The PS 3 will play it but it does have that FAT32 limitation of 4GB file size. The Samsung supports NTFS and has more processing power than my 2 year old laptop.
Electro_Fixx wrote on 12/3/2010, 11:13 AM
Hi Aquaholic
I agree with you now.
After some tests i discovered that
m2v files are better than m2ts files.
Sony AVC produces huge blocks of pixels in dark areas.
i recorded some christhmas lights here and the results using Sony AVC is terrible but rendering using Mainconcept Mpeg-2 is awesome.
aquaholik wrote on 12/3/2010, 1:46 PM
I see the block of pixels too going from my 24mbps Canon AVCHD footage to 16mbps Sony AVC. That block of pixel is gone using 25mbps m2v and mp4 format.
Electro_Fixx wrote on 12/4/2010, 9:06 AM
Aquaholic let me ask you
the mainconcept codec produces two files here
christmas.m2v
christmas.mpa (audio)

it doesn't mix them togheter?
Should i mux them using TSmuxer?
aquaholik wrote on 12/4/2010, 11:31 AM
I am using the blue ray 1920x1080 60i 25mbps video stream, so mine does not contain the audio. I render the audio separately as Sony Wave64 and use both of them in DVDAS 5 to create blue ray disk.

I think you are using the HDV 1080-60i template which contains both audio and video and the file format is .m2t.
shooter71 wrote on 1/22/2011, 7:06 AM
For those that used tsMuxeR for their AVCHD files, did you notice that that the length of video change? I lost about 90 seconds of video length on a 30 minutes video using the default settings. All the video clips were still present which means to me that tsMuxer changed the rate of the video somehow. Any thoughts?
BrianHi wrote on 1/25/2011, 9:19 AM
HI. I have a similar problem. Video from my Panasonic HDC-SD600 in AVCHD format, rendered in VMS10 and burned to DVD will not play in my Sony S370 blu-ray player (although it plays on my computer blu-ray player). I'm interested in your suggestion to use tsMuxeR which I gather is a free download. You say use this after rendering. Can you explain the process more please. My camera shoots in 1920x1080, I believe at 50i since I'm UK based.
Thanks