RME in general

The way they handle the driver is different than vegas wants to. I am stubbornly holding on to all my RME gear, but its a rough match!

Shit,,,, I was actually thinking of going RME for V4, but your advice would be to not?

Too bad about the RME products and Vegas. I've heard nothing but positive comments on other forums about their hardware, and was tossing about the idea of using their hardware w/my next workstation, but I need an interface that will work well supporting multiple SW packages as I like to use Vegas for mobile as their is no Dongle hanging off the DAW.

Is the compatibility issue purely on RME's side? And will it be addressed?

-jb

I don't really know waht to make of this. If it's an across the board problem or not. But, I already bought RME and am getting my shipment today, so I will let you know how it works.

I am hoping for the best. But, if this is another of the many incompatibility problems with Vegas and hardware manufacturers, then I gotta say that I'm starting to look elsewhere for a DAW program. First it was M-Audio Quattro (finally resolved), then UAD-1 (still not resolved - can only use 50% of UAD power in Vegas), now RME?

Anyway, hopefully I won't have any issues. I'll keep you posted.

Well Im not giving up my RME stuff. The totalmix feature of the HDSP series is the easiest and quickest way I have found for dealing with Vegas' monitoring shortcomings. RME's features are VERY powerful. I have few complaints on them specifically except for their choice of Mathias Carstens as their public relations guy.

That said there are some problems with RME and Vegas but nothing that cant be fixed I dont think

here is a little more info http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=278799&Page=0

Thanks. I did see that thread, albeit after I bought the RME Multiface.
But, so far I have had no problems with it. I so far have only used it lightly, but no glitches. And, wow, what a huge difference in clarity from the M-Audio Delta44!

I did try running the RME Digicheck software with Vegas and did notice the little frwapping sound when Vegas is stopped (is this the looping problem from the previous RME thread?). But, it wasn't at all serious.

Can't speak to Fireface, but Multiface is a go for me.

Two Vegas users report success with RME in RME's forum. One with RME 9652 and the other with a Multiface. Noone with a Fireface has spoken up. But I'm still confused by the replies and other threads. Are the Vegas/RME issues fixed or not?

Douglas

have you been able to mix in 5.1 on the fireface 800 with version 5.b. i plan on adding the fireface this week to my collection but want it to run vegas and nuendo 2.0 it makes all the world to me that the 800 will mix in 5.1 w/ vegas. so if any of you have the fireface can i beg one of you all to test it out for me. what other card do you all have that will run vegas in 5.1.
thanx all

There is a very positive review of the Fireface 800 in Sound on Sound, December issue (www.soundonsound.com).

I would agree with the FireFace accolade. I have owned one for 3months + and am in no way unhappy with it. I am also generally happy with Vegas, but I have a wishlist !

However, Vegas and Fireface are not currently the best of friends. I have had _a great deal_ of trouble working with this combination - I have literally spent days on this trouble shoot.

In summary, using v4e of Vegas, glitches/pops/gargling at random are common during playback. The FF800 records perfectly, and on visual inspection the audio that is actually recorded is pristine with no evidence of lost data.

Thought it was insufficient PC power. So I upgraded the PC to an AMD64 3000, with 512Mb RAM, 160Gb ATA100 system drive and 2x SATA 160Gb data drives. Still lots of problems with clicks and pops under Vegas4e and latest RME 1.7.1 (12th Dec 2004) drivers.

The trial version of V5 of Vegas does not work any better with these drivers either. And we are not talking about overload here - just one stereo 24bit 48kHz file, and no video. Thats ASIO.

I have encountered problems importing WAV files created in V4e into V5. I have also encountered problems trying to get Vegas to use MME as opposed to ASIO - mainly because Vegas believes the drivers to already be in use most of the time. You get a message box. You Can fool it if you reset to Sound Mapper and disable the MIDI in/out. But it's no basis for playback under MME. Loading an updated V4e project into V5 with MME successfully selected crashed Vegas as soon as I hit play.

Wierdly, a new 24bit file created under V5 never caused problems - so I am beginning to wonder if there is some difference between waves created under V4e and V5. I can't answer this.

However, worse than playback glitches the side effect of loss of timing integrity. MIDI SPP played out of the back of the PC will then get ahead of the TimeRuler in Vegas by anything up to a beat over 90bars at 75bpm. In my tests I was able to get the MIDI Output reading on screen to show "90.1" and the TimeRuler on screen to show "89.3"...

I am however convinced this is because of the ASIO glitches and will disappear when the buffers are refreshed on time. However - it also rules out simply ignoring the playback glitches and using an external time reference as a workaround. Your recordings will either stop and "drop out" of record or need serious post-editing.

In the short term, creating a "MIDI Event" on the timeline would allow me to use Akai DR16 under MMC (I'd simply send a SysEx string from the Event)and at least I could continue working. But as of right now, I would have to say that the FireFace and Vegas are basically unusable for professional applications. We simply shouldn't have to spend this much time on this sort of issue as users.

I would however like to thank both companies for their assistance by email which has been helpful. If they could be persuaded to come together to resolve this little issue (if you look at what both products actually achieve we really are talking about an incredible potential here for a system), I for one would be very grateful.

As things stand, it is great shame that these things do not work. Not just for the fact that I am £2k the worse off for this little experiment and STILL can't get it to work...

David Day
Studio 9 Ltd. UK

Isnt the RME Totalmix a thing of beauty?

Have you tried RME's ASIO DM implementation in Samplitude or Cubendo?

UNREAL! All the tape machine non latency and functionality we have been asking for (at least when you put the features of the two apps together)

Its a shame they cant work too well together yet, but still with vegas' lack of hardware monitoring, I cant get by without totalmix, so I'm still running the RME stuff.

My current list is
2 X RME HDSP 9652
2 X RME Digi 9652
3 X RME ADI DS
1 X RME ADI D to D

I look forward to the days when vegas combines the best parts of ASIO DM from Cubendo and Samplitude, and leaves the worst parts behind.

Yeah, TOTALMIX is among the many features that would make the FF800 a great tool for a laptop DAW.

FF800 would be at the top of my purchasing list...but it's off the list completely until the problems with Vegas are solved. And there is no indication that either Sony or RME are working on the issue.

So I'm waiting from Echo's Firewire Layla (or whatever they will call it). But I may have to choose something else soon (like an Edirol UA1000), to handle a job coming up in a couple weeks. I also considered a Firepod, but lack of wordclock i/o limits connectivety with other gear. Mackie's Onyx 400F might also be worth a look...when it actually ships.

Douglas
Denmark

Pipeline (sorry don't know your name)

Do you believe the ASIO issues are with Vegas as opposed to RME then? Do you have evidence that the RME boxes under current ASIO drivers work with other DAWs?

Truthfully, I can wait for Vegas and come back later since my needs are 90% audio and 10% video. In the case I want to use the FireFace what DAW would be best under ASIO drivers?

As long as I cn get to SoundForge for editing that is!!

David Day
Studio 9 Ltd. UK

Try RME with Nuendo or samplitude, you will be blown away. You will be speechless. They work THAT good together! Auto input performs latency free just as a tape recorder.

There are good reasons why Vegas and RME don't work together, the vegas team has mentioned some in this forum before. A more cooperative, less arrogant, less egotistical, less making fun of the customer attitude from RME themselves would go a LONG way to making things better. Vegas finally adopting ASIO DM would also make things better, but RME's ASIO performance in other apps, even without using DM, is so stunning that even THAT would be a wonderful thing in Vegas.

Being that we buy and sell so much RME gear here at my place, we have some good lines of communication to their US distributor and some access to RME themselves. We cant even get even halfway friendly communication with RME, its insane.

However, in the event of a solvable problem, USA distributor synthax.com, specifically George, is a GREAT resource, and can help far better, and far nicer, and far quicker than RME themselves.