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Former user wrote on 3/4/2004, 11:21 AM
Vegas will not capture all of the audio when recorded in this mode. Either switch to 16bit, or you can use Scenalyzer to capture with.

Dave T2
jetdv wrote on 3/4/2004, 12:33 PM
I use Scenalyzer Live to capture all of my 4-channel stuff. It will capture video + stereo 1 into an AVI file while simultaneously capturing stereo 2 into a separate WAV file - all over firewire.
mark30 wrote on 3/4/2004, 3:25 PM
THanks JetDV, I installed it right away and it SEEMED to work like a dream. Audio works great.
But now I have this video-thing. Not only does Scenalyzer capture in the wrong field order (I want PAL/lower field field first), but it also skips a lot, like the capture is an old record that jumps the needle..

Anyone familiar with this? Or does anyone know how to change the field order? I can't find it..

thx Mark
taliesin wrote on 3/4/2004, 3:33 PM
Did you select the Canopus AVI header in ScenalyzerLive? Don't do that. Vegas handles AVI files with Canopus header as Upper Field First.

Marco
mark30 wrote on 3/4/2004, 3:37 PM
I used Type-2 (Premiere, Vegas etc..) .. So I guess that's the right setting..

taliesin wrote on 3/4/2004, 3:51 PM
Yes, this should be the right setting.

Do you use the lastest build (ScenalyzerLIVE build Jul 28 2003)?
It was version 20030611 when Vegas metadata was added into the header of ScenalyzerLive created files. Versions before that could cause trouble.

Marco
mark30 wrote on 3/5/2004, 1:22 AM
yess..
I also found out that when watching in the pc monitor the image is jerky, but when I watch at the ext. monitor it's way better.
This of course after I changed the media-field order in Veas to lower field first.

Aren't there any people in PAL-land that use Scenalyzer and have lower field first??

grtz,
Mark
taliesin wrote on 3/5/2004, 1:44 AM
I know lots of people who use ScenalyzerLive and Vegas (and we are in Germany, so PAL over here). But none of them ever had a field order problem. Them all get Lower Field First.
I did never test it on my own. I only own the ScenalyzerLive demo version. I'll test it a bit later. And maybe I know about a workaround for you, but first give me a while for a test.

Marco
mark30 wrote on 3/5/2004, 1:47 AM
Sehr vielen Dank Marco,

Thanks in advance.. I wonder why it sets it to upper field indeed...
thx
taliesin wrote on 3/5/2004, 2:12 AM
Du sprichst Deutsch? - Dann können wir das ja auch in unserem eigenen Forum weiterdisktuieren ... ;-)

Meanwhile - maybe this one could help:

I also had serious problems with a false field order but here it were Canopus DV files which drove me crazy for quite a while (them also were indicated as Upper Field First in Vegas). Yesterday Dr. Dropout gave us a very valuable information about it.

Take a look into your Vegas program folder. There is a file called "vegas profiles.ini". Be sure to make a copy of this file using a different name.
Open this file using a text-editor. Find the following lines:

"Key2=0, "None", 720, 576, 25.0, 0
Attributes2="Upper First", 1.0925925925, "Undefined", 1"

Now change the value "Upper First" to "Lower First".
Save this file.

This helped me overcoming my field order problem with Canopus files!

But I still have no glue why they integrated this case in the INI-file. What is different here compared to regular PAL DV?

Marco
mark30 wrote on 3/5/2004, 2:25 AM
I'll try it tomorrow.. but isn't this the same as changing the field order in the properties dialog box (media pool)?

Ein bischen Deutsch, komme aus Holland!
grtz
Mark
taliesin wrote on 3/5/2004, 2:49 AM
Oh, so we aren't that far away from each other. I live in southwest of Germany, near Saarbrucken.

I don't know what exactly the differences are compared to manually changing the field order within the properties (except after having changed the INI-file it will be done automatically). But I think the modified INI-file would give us right the base functionality for field order handling, just right the way expected. Give it a try tomorrow ...

Marco
mark30 wrote on 3/6/2004, 7:41 AM
I tried some things..

When I captured with Scenalyzer the field order became 'upper' in Vegas. I solved that part by NOT capturing via my PInnacle Moviebox DV, but directly in the pc's firewire port. Now the clip is 'lower field first' in Vegas.

But... still I'm missing frames, the material skips every now and then. Which is of course not the case on the tape.
I thought maybe it had something to do with the bit-depth, so I changed Scenalyzers settings to: always write audio as 48Khz, 16-bit.
But it stays 32-Khz, and 16 bit!! Vegas -> properties doesn't do 12-bit anyway. So I changed Vegas to 32Khz, but no change in the missing frames..

I hate it when Vegas Video Capture is great for this video, but misses the 4-channel audio. And Scenalyzer has great audio with 4-channels, but missing parts in video (and audio)..

Really I have no clue... All I can do now is use Vegas' video capture and Scenalyzers audio and keep syncing them all the time..

Anyone had these hiccups once?
thx
taliesin wrote on 3/6/2004, 9:59 AM
Vegas capture tool in fact is not a Vegas internal tool. VidCap is a standalone application which can be opened from inside of Vegas.
So Vegas project properties cannot touch your capturing. It does not matter which audio properties you choose in Vegas for the capture tool doesn't care abou it.

But sorry to say I have no solution for the problems you have with dropped frames when you use ScenalyzerLive.

Marco
TVCmike wrote on 3/6/2004, 10:15 AM
Have you contacted the Scenalyzer folks to ask them about this? I don't think they'd want to lose a sale over this issue. There's a feedback form on their page, and maybe if they respond they can help you out.