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erisajd wrote on 8/24/2006, 10:47 AM
Only a few of us admit to using Pinnacle Studio and also VMS. I am one.

You can capture (AVI) in Pinnacle and then import that AVI into VMS, of course. You can also do some editing in Pinnacle and render (save) that edited movie as an AVI (better) or MPEG (not optimal) file annd then import that saved file into VMS.

I do not think that you can import the Pinnacle 'editing instructions' into VMS.
karlthek wrote on 8/25/2006, 10:34 AM
Yes, I don't like to admit it either, although I never had a problem with Pinnacle products. I DO like VMS a LOT better and won't go back --- except to use it to capture AVI's for VMS.

Appreciate your response. I was hoping to use the Pinnacle scene info so I didn't have to manually split the AVI in VMS. Guess I won't!
gmes29 wrote on 8/25/2006, 11:11 AM
maybe you guys had worse experiences than i did but i found that Pinnacle worked well enough for me to know that it is very feature rich and is very easy to learn. imo, it'll be a killer program if/when it ever stabilizes. i'm trying other things right now because after having to reinstall, suddenly all these problems started occurring that never occured before which drove me nuts..
karlthek wrote on 8/25/2006, 11:23 AM
The only problem I had with Pinnacle --- a number of versions --- was audio video sync on larger files, and I compensated by using smaller files. I used Studio for editing and CyberLink PowerDirector for DVD creation. When I tried VMS I found the best of both worlds in one package, plus the editing is more flexible in VMS.

It's too bad Studio has a reputation for working just fine and then self-destructing.
MSmart wrote on 8/31/2006, 10:47 PM
Hi. My name is MSmart. I am also a Pinnacle Studio user.

This is one thing I haven't figured out yet in VMS, scenes. Scene picons in the Album is one thing I like about P Studio. I've gathered that you can't import Studio's .scn file into VMS, but how to you create it similarly in VMS allowing you to add certain clips into the VMS timeline?
gmes29 wrote on 9/1/2006, 5:30 AM
i was wondering that too but as it turns out, i think vms is much better/faster for editing out commercials imo. in PS, not only do you have to find and delete all the scenes that represent a commercial break but you may also have to trim the last scene before and the first scene after the commercial break just to make sure you get only the video and audio for the program..
in vms, you do a Split at the beginning of the commercial break and another at the end then do a delete w/auto ripple to fill the gap - very simple..
of course i don't know what your editing needs are..
IanG wrote on 9/1/2006, 11:18 AM
Do you have scene detection enabled in the video capture options, and are you using the media pool? You can have video capture put clips directly into the media pool, or you can import them, and any other media. You can drag and drop from the media pool (the usual way of doing things), Windows Explorer or any number of media organisers.

Ian G.
MSmart wrote on 9/1/2006, 11:12 PM
I do have scene detection inabled in video capture, no I wasn't using the media pool. However, I've been using PS to do my captures, not Video Capture.

Ahh, that's what the individual clip files are.... PS scenes, I guess. That seems to be where these programs are very different. VMS (vid capture) creates seperate AVI files (clips) for every scene (camcorder start/stop) whereas PS creates picons in an album which are pointers within one AVI file.

Is there a way within VMS/Video Capture to take the large AVI file captured with PS and create clips, which would be seperate AVI files?

Now that I realize what the clip files are, I'll have to decide which way suits me and see if I'm due for a change. I can see where individual "clip" avi files are easier to deal with from a disk file size perspective than one large 13GB avi file for an hour's worth of MiniDV Tape.

Am I on the right track here?
IanG wrote on 9/2/2006, 3:33 PM
>Is there a way within VMS/Video Capture to take the large AVI file captured with PS and create clips, which would be seperate AVI files?

VidCap can't do that, and doing it in VMS would mean splitting out each scene manualy and rendering it - not practical! I think Scenalyzer can do this, or I've just found AVCutty which looks interesting. I've literaly only just downloaded it and split a clip of a couple of mins to check that it works - I can't comment on how good the scene detection is.

Ian G.
MSmart wrote on 9/2/2006, 10:07 PM
Thanks IanG, too bad, oh well.

I just captured a MiniDV tape with Video Capture, every scene (start-stop of cam) becomes a seperate AVI file with a file name of "Tape 1 - Clip xxx". Very cool.

The other tapes I captured recently with PS were long scenes anyway (concert) so no matter.

I think I like having seperate AVI files rather than one LARGE AVI file. I will be using Video Capture from now on for ALL my captures regardless if I edit with PS or VMS. I know it will help my workflow.

THANKS.
Chienworks wrote on 9/4/2006, 8:06 AM
Separate files is also nice if you end up having garbage scenes/takes on your tape. You can have VidCap capture the entire lot in one pass, no pausing, fast forwarding, finding the next good clip, starting again, etc. Then when all the clips are captured it takes only a few moments to browse through them and delete the clips you don't want. If they had been captured as one large file you'd be stuck keeping them on your hard drive with the rest of the good clips in that one file.