Seamless Transition Possible? (Video to Menu)

Sol M. wrote on 1/24/2006, 4:16 AM
I've been doing a lot of experimenting to try to pin down why I'm getting the results I'm getting, and I thought I'd just post just in case others have experienced similar behavior (and perhaps someone has found a solution)

Here's the rundown:

1) Menus created at 655x480 (as per DVDA Manual's instructions) in Photoshop CS
2) Transition Videos created in Vegas 6 at 720x480 (0.9 PAR) and rendered to MPEG-2 (using DVD Architect 29.97 template)

The PSD files are imported into DVDA as menus. The menus are mostly made up of vertical rectangles.

The transition videos for the purposes of my tests were simple cross dissolves from one PSD file to the PSD file of the menu. After I rendered the video out to MPEG-2, I imported it into DVDA (3.0c).

When I preview the transition in DVDA, there is a definite shift, and thus the transition from video to menu is not seamless. When the video ends and the menu is displayed, it appears as if the rectangles "shink" inward. It's remeniscent of changes in pixel aspect ratio. I sometimes have to preview the transition several times to see the shift, but it's definitely visible when playing the DVD on a set-top player.

From what I can tell, the "shrinking" seems to most affect objects that are longer than they are wider. Also, the narrower the object, the more noticeable the shrinking effect is. Furthermore, the shrinking appears to affect objects vertically aligned to the center of the image.

The type of behavior I decribe does not seem to occur (or at least is not noticeable enough) with objects positioned off-center, or objects are that are at least as wide as they are long (i.e. a square or horizontal rectangle).

Possible solutions are:

1) Do not position anything aligned to the vertical center
2) Do not create buttons/objects that are longer than they are wider

In my case, however, neither of these are desired solutions as one of the menus I'm creating will be thumbnails of the images in a photo gallery (arranged on a 3x3 grid). Several of the images are vertically oriented (i.e. landscape), and are therefore longer than they are wider.

Has anyone experienced this behavior before? Anyone find any workable solutions? My next step is to test other DVD authoring apps, but I'd rather not have to switch just for this.

If anyone is interested, I've uploaded some of my test files (an MPEG-2 file and a PSD menu) that demonstrate the behavior I've described. Just import them into DVDA and set the end action of the MPEG-2 file to go to the menu file. You may have to look closely, as the effect is not always immediately noticeable.

Download (180k)

http://archetyped.com/vegas/resources/DVDA_Transition_Test.zip

Comments

rsp wrote on 1/24/2006, 1:09 PM
Have watched your sample but couldn't really pindown what you are describing - can you post a sample of such a transition from video to menu ?

Rudi
Sol M. wrote on 1/24/2006, 1:50 PM
What do you mean by "sample"? Like a DVDA Project File?

I've updated the zip file to include a DVDA Project file.

The "shift" occurs when the media file ends and goes to the menu. It slight, but definitely visible. Watch the middle rectangle for the most noticeable shift.

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Sol M. wrote on 1/24/2006, 2:29 PM
UPDATE

It appears that it's the buttons on the imported menu that change position and/or size (haven't quite pinned that down yet). When I merge all the thumbnail images into the background-01 layer, the shifting stops completely. I still have the highlight layers for each button, so the buttons still work as desired.

It's a big workaround because it requires a lot of layer duplicating and merging in photoshop, so making changes would be a hassle because I'd always have to delete the current background-01 layer, duplicate all layers all over again, and merge it into the original background-01 layer.

If anyone has any information regarding this, I'd very much like to hear about it.
rsp wrote on 1/28/2006, 12:14 PM
Now have seen what the problem is but can't help with a solution other then the photoshop 'workaround' that you already mentioned yourself.
Should you find another solution i would be interested to hear about that

Rudi
Sol M. wrote on 1/28/2006, 1:09 PM
Thank you. It helps to know that this isn't just an issue specific to my system. I am continuing to experiment. I will report any findings.