Separate Drive For Video & Docs

Kimberly wrote on 6/10/2011, 8:28 AM
Hello All:

I've read on this Forum and elsewhere that it's a good idea to store your Operating System (OS) on one drive and your programs and data on another drive. A few questions:

1. When people say this, do they mean a separate physical drive, or do they mean a separate logical drive?

2. Are we talking only the OS on the separate drive and the programs and data on another drive? Or the OS and programs on the same drive and the data on another drive?

3. If a separate logical drive is sufficient, can someone give me a hint on how to set this up on a new hard drive? I am not a computer wizard, but I'm good at Monkey See, Monkey Do computer stuff.

I'm installing the 4th hard drive in 3 years on my Dell Inspiron 1420 laptop. I must be wearing them out due to constant spinning with the OS, programs, and video all on the C:\ drive. I'm capturing, editing, and rendering video about 3 hours a day for about six months of each year, and my drive just failed (fortunately at the end of my stint in the field).

A better machine with a solid state hard drive is in the budget for May 2012, but for now I must limp along with what I have.

Regards,

Kimberly

Comments

johnmeyer wrote on 6/10/2011, 9:35 AM
The main reason for putting the O/S and programs on one drive and all your data (including video) onto other drives is that it makes backup and recovery MUCH easier. On all my computers (I have close to a dozen) I use a partitioning program to create two logical partitions on one physical drive. I put Windows and my programs on the C: drive, and partition that drive to have about 10 GB. I then allocate all the remaining space to the D: drive (or whatever letter is available).

I run a very tight ship and configure all my programs so that their temporary files go on the D: drive. This lets me keep the C: drive really small. When I need to backup, I use an image backup program, which is the only way you can backup and restore Windows. Since the C: drive is comparatively small, I can backup to an external hard drive in under five minutes. More important, if something gets badly trashed by a bad installation, operator error -- which is usually what happens in my case ;) -- virus, adware, or whatever, I can restore the C: drive partition in less than ten minutes.

IMHO, there is absolutely no reason why every computer should not be configured this way, and failure to do so makes the whole backup and restore proposition virtually useless for most people. Why? Because you cannot restore a Windows computer unless you do an image backup, and because image backup is an all or nothing proposition, you are faced with the task of backing up -- and later restoring -- up to 2 terabytes of information, when the only thing that really needs to be fixed is stored in an area that is two orders of magnitude smaller. Thus, by failing to partition in this manner, you take a ten minute task and turn it into 10 x 150 = 1,500 minutes which is pretty close to 24 hours.

The second reason that separate drives and partitions is often discussed in this forum is performance. When this is the object of the discussion, partitioning is useless: you have to put things on separate physical drives.

The basic reason why you can improve performance when you put video on separate physical drives is that your hard drive cannot read and write simultaneously, and cannot read from two or more files at the same time. If you do multi-camera work, if you have the files from multiple cameras on the same physical drive, your timeline performance will degrade if you have to display all these cameras at once on the timeline.

Also, when rendering, if the output of your rendering operation goes to the same disk drive as all your source files, you will increase the render time because your drive cannot read from the source files at the same moment in time as it is writing. Under some circumstances this difference in render times can be quite significant; in other cases it hardly matters.

One thing to note: if you have just one camera, and you put the video on the same drive as your O/S, you probably won't see much, if any, timeline performance improvement by moving that video to a separate physical drive. Why? Because your computer usually does not do much reading or writing of program or O/S files once the O/S is loaded (i.e., after you have booted) and once you have started your editing program. The big improvements are when you are doing a really fast render, where Vegas is spitting out the results almost as fast as it can read the input file and, as already mentioned, when doing multi-cam editing.

So, use partitioning to make it simple to backup and restore; use separate drives for each source video file and for the final render in order to improve performance.


Steve Mann wrote on 6/10/2011, 4:13 PM
Two Partitions are not the same as two drives. Partitioning is an anachronism from when hard-disk size was more than DOS could address and the only way to use any hard-disk over 30Gb was with partitioning.

There are only three valid reason for partitions:
1) Hosting more than one O/S where each O/S needs its own Boot Partition
2) A Recovery Partition
3) To keep the O/S in a small partition

Reason three is a newcomer to my list since it's getting difficult to buy a PC with anything smaller than a 1TB boot disk, and Windows 7 needs no more than 200GB including a lot of installed applications.

4) And now there's a new reason to resurrect partitioning. With 3Tb disk drives becoming available, we've come full-circle and have hard-disk drives larger than NTFS can address.

Performance-wise, a separate partition is physically the same as a single disk drive. No advantage whatever.
johnmeyer wrote on 6/10/2011, 7:33 PM
There are only three valid reason for partitions ... Steve, did you not read my post above?? I thought I made a reasonably clear case for why partitioning is not "an anachronism," and why, in fact, it is almost mandatory if you plan on doing frequent backups. Perhaps this is what you meant by your #3 "To keep the O/S in a small partition," but that really doesn't explain the benefit or reason of why you would do that.

Also, is this really true: "Windows 7 needs no more than 200GB including a lot of installed applications." ?? I just did a quick search, and most everyone is reporting less than 10% of that number. In fact, for people who do what I do (put just the O/S and programs on the C: drive), most are reporting that a 20 GB partition works just fine.
Kimberly wrote on 6/10/2011, 8:18 PM
Thanks John and Steve for your thorough reply. The subject makes a lot more sense now.

Currently I back-up my data onto a 1TB drive using the Windows Back-up. I have a factory image of my OS (Dell provides this) but no image of my current OS or other installed programs. I only run legit software so I have all the disks to re-install, but yes, it is an incredible pain and takes much longer than the 24 hours that John mentioned to install and fine-tune all the programs. So a few more questions:

1. Is it possible to create two new logical drives, say E:\ and F:\, without erasing (formatting) over the Dell factory image on D:\ ?

2. Is there any merit to putting the OS on C:\ and all the programs on another logical drive such as E:\, and then putting the data on F:\? I'm thinking if I need to restore to the factory image, then I wouldn't wipe out my installed programs if they reside on a different logical drive.

Thanks again for your help.

Regards,

Kimberly
Steve Mann wrote on 6/10/2011, 9:24 PM
OK, I'll change my canned response to:
"Partitioning became necessary when hard-disk size was more than DOS could address and the only way to use any hard-disk over 30Gb was with partitioning."

You can get Windows to run in a 20Gb partition?? The smallest I've seen is 45Gb...
johnmeyer wrote on 6/11/2011, 12:05 AM
You can get Windows to run in a 20Gb partition?? The smallest I've seen is 45Gb...The laptop I'm writing this on runs Win XP Media edition. I have that, plus a ton of programs -- including Vegas & DVDA -- running in a 9 GB partition. I still have 2 GB free space. Of my ten computers, only one has more than a 10 GB partition for the C: drive, and I easily fit Windows and all my programs into that partition.

However, I don't yet have Windows 7, and only have one computer with Vista 64. After I read your post, I thought Windows 7 had somehow increased in size by almost two orders of magnitude, and that worried me (this computer has 3.3 GB in the Windows folders).

However, it looks like Windows 7 is a little larger, but not much.