Setup of Project

jandkw99 wrote on 9/16/2003, 8:25 AM
Hello once again,

This is probably a bit of a newbee question, but I am setting up a project which is a martial arts demonstration. I have two cameras, one which is same height and to the left of the subject and the other is wide angle, above the subjects ie. up high in the seating, but in the center.

What I want to know is how I should set up the project so that I can make sinple transitions from one camera to the next without having to cut up all the footage and put it on a single track. At the moment I have two audio and video tracks side by side. Can I transition between these? I personally don't think so - they are just different layers.

Anyone know the best way to approach this project?

Thanks,

Jason

Comments

jetdv wrote on 9/16/2003, 8:50 AM
Read the Vegas Tips, Tricks, and Scripts newsletter that talks about multi-camera editing (issue #9.) I think it should explain everything needed.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/16/2003, 9:15 AM
Let me make certain I understand you...

Both cameras shot the same action at the same time, just different angles. You have the camera A pic and sound in the time line and the camera B pic and sound in the time line beneath camera A's.

That being the case, I would use the "split" key and simpy go through and cut where I wanted to change angles and delete the corresponding footage that wasn't needed. The result would look like an A-B roll of film. On the time line you would have a shot above a blank space, a shot beneath a blank space, kind'a like a checker board.

I'm sure others will have better suggestions.

J--
DataMeister wrote on 9/16/2003, 9:50 AM
When working on wedding videos, I use an envelope on the top track to fade out and reveal the bottom track wherever needed. That way you can still see the thumbnails in the tracks.

JBJones
jetdv wrote on 9/16/2003, 10:17 AM
Both of these are good techniques for 2 cameras. If you get to 3 or more cameras these techniques get much more difficult. I usually use the "Master Track" approach by moving the desired clip up to the top track.
Mandk wrote on 9/16/2003, 10:21 AM
I have used excaliber on a similar project using two cameras on a marching band. It is surprising how easy it is to use (once you get the setting right but that was a personal problem) and how great the results are.

jandkw99 wrote on 9/16/2003, 7:24 PM
Thanks for the responses.

Somebody gave me one tip which was to use the opacity on the top track when I want to change angles. My only problem with this is that it will only allow for straight cross fade transitions. I would like to have the full range of available (transitions) options open to me.

I've now read JetDVs article and it still leaves me with little hope that what I want is available. I was aware of these three methods, I usually use the third one - the master track, but I hoped there was an easier way than cutting all the clips up.

One thing I tried last night was to "expand" a single video track to show the A, transition and B parts. This is more the style I was looking for (if I could have all clips from the two cameras in parallel), but when I tried to drag the video from the second track up to the "B" track it didn't seems to work. Admittedly I haven't tried too hard on this, but I think that it may not work in respect to having the two video streams in parallel and instead only function in a similar look to the "checkerboard" approach but using a single track.

Any other thoughts?
Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/16/2003, 7:29 PM
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GaryKleiner wrote on 9/16/2003, 8:22 PM
It pains me to see you struggle with this because 90% of the work I do (and I am in this full time +) is multi-camera editing, and it is SO easy with Vegas.

Basically, it goes like this:


1) Sync your media on the timeline
2) Create a reduced size (PIP) version of each track with track motion so you can see all the cameras at once.
3) Place markers where you want your edits (and use the marker names to denote cuts, dissolves, etc)
4)Ctrl/Arrow to each marker and split all but the bottom video clip
5)Delete out the pieces the are on top of the tracks you want to see
6)Add disolves where needed.

Excalibur GREATLY speeds up steps 1, 4,5, and 6.

Gary
jetdv wrote on 9/16/2003, 9:17 PM
Remember that you can also drop transitions onto dissolves. So, if you remove a section of the clip on track 1, add a dissolve on the clip(s) remaining. Then drop a transition onto that dissolve.

I still consider the "master" track the easiest and, personally, use Excalibur for my multi cam editing - no more splits as until ALL edit points have been decided.
DouglasClark wrote on 9/26/2003, 7:12 AM
Does anyone have a script for Step 2 above?
2) Create a reduced size (PIP) version of each track with track motion so you can see all the cameras at once.
jetdv wrote on 9/26/2003, 9:09 AM
Scripts currently cannot control Track Motion.

Create some presets and you can quickly set them up manually.
johnmeyer wrote on 9/26/2003, 10:24 AM
gkvideoguy has it right. That is definitely the easiest way to go (that I know of).