Yes I new Wavelab, was able to burn redbook CDs prior to v3.0
and I updated my Vegas Pro to Vegas Video v2.0a months ago, so thanks
for your uninformative reply, which has "No Merit"

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>
>>While your opinion certainly has some merit, you're a bit behind
>>times. WaveLab was able to burn Redbook CD's before version 3, and
>>Vegas Pro has basically been obsolete for a number of months now.
>>
>>KAC ...
>>
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>
>>>>useless without the abilities to burn a Redbook CDR for
>>>>replication. This is what Steinberg did with it's new
>>>>release of Wavelab v3.0. It looks by this reply that us Pro
>>>>audio people are doomed and without a CD Architect soon
>>>>Sound Forge will come to pass also. Maybe that's why we
>>>>haven't seen a new release of Sound Forge to compete with
>>>>the features of Wavelab, because the next Sound Forge will
>>>>be more Streaming media based. That doesn't help us users
>>>>who originally purchased Sound Forge for doing Audio
>>>>Mastering and doing the kind of edits that yet aren't
>>>>implemented in Vegas Pro. Looks like a downward spiral for
>>>>Pro audio users. First CD Architect, then Sound Forge, and
>>>>then will fall Vegas Pro.

Hi Karl,

>>Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>
>>While your opinion certainly has some merit, you're a bit behind
>>times. WaveLab was able to burn Redbook CD's before version 3, and
>>Vegas Pro has basically been obsolete for a number of months now.

I have a Wavelab 1.6 and burn CD's (But is poor than CD Achitect)

Bye

Then you should post what you "new" to start with instead of
attempting to use out of date examples to support a weak argument.

Vegas Audio, only a month old, is by all standards on the cutting
edge when it comes to cost effective multitrack *editing* programs
and certainly puts lie to the assumption that SF is "abandoning audio
pros".

An intelligent assessment of the audio software market the past few
years will conclude that you don't need to get all your audio tools
for the PC in one place. WaveLab 2/3 is but one example of a 24bit,
two track editor that burns RedBook CD's and is a much better bang
for the buck in a commercial situation in my experience than the
competing products of SF ... which could well be one factor in why
they decided to forego trying to compete in the market with CDA.

Granted, working out of your bedroom can limit your perspective in
ways than one, but the cost of these programs to a commercial
facility, which can usually be recouped in a couple of sessions, is
negligble and gives your "abandon audio pros" theory little impact in
that environment.

KAC ..

Brian Franz wrote:

>> Yes I new Wavelab, was able to burn redbook CDs prior to v3.0
and I updated my Vegas Pro to Vegas Video v2.0a months ago, so thanks
for your uninformative reply, which has "No Merit"

Hi Karl,

I think after of read the SF email, the teory of Brian can be true. I
thinking that SF don't abandon the Audio Pro now, but is very
probable in a near future (1 years).

This is very important for the Audio Pro users, this way can be
opossite to his interest, and very dangerous to his investiment in
Sonic Foundry products (will be discontinued the Audio Pro products
without any notice or solution, like the CD Architect). Why the Vegas
Audio release is to be later of Vegas Video release?

I'm Agree with the Brians teory.

Best regards

>>Vegas Audio, only a month old, is by all standards on the cutting
>>edge when it comes to cost effective multitrack *editing* programs
>>and certainly puts lie to the assumption that SF is "abandoning
audio
>>pros".

Second Request - as Kelly Shaffer suggested in a previous email,
please move the off-topic posts to their appropriate forum. This
forum is for Vegas Pro, Vegas Video and Vegas Audio. Thank you.

Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>Hi Karl,
>>
>>I think after of read the SF email, the teory of Brian can be true.
I
>>thinking that SF don't abandon the Audio Pro now, but is very
>>probable in a near future (1 years).
>>
>>This is very important for the Audio Pro users, this way can be
>>opossite to his interest, and very dangerous to his investiment in
>>Sonic Foundry products (will be discontinued the Audio Pro products
>>without any notice or solution, like the CD Architect). Why the
Vegas
>>Audio release is to be later of Vegas Video release?
>>
>>I'm Agree with the Brians teory.
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>>>>Vegas Audio, only a month old, is by all standards on the cutting
>>>>edge when it comes to cost effective multitrack *editing*
programs
>>>>and certainly puts lie to the assumption that SF is "abandoning
>>audio
>>>>pros".
>>

Maybe You guys should Create a "Sonic Foundry" Forum that way
no one will get confused and we can put our own "Topics" in
to show what we're talking about so no one has to waste the time
of opening every post. My original post was in regards to Vegas
users. I own Sound Forge, Vegas Video,Acid Pro, and CD Architect, and
the whole point was how foreclosure on CD Architect was going to
affect your other products like "VEGAS!!!". Also I've noticed and
loved the feature of having 1 right click to open that audio in your
other products, so how can you be hypocritical now and say I'm being
off topic, when all your software works together? Why don't you post
something useful and encouraging to us consumers of YOUR PRODUCT,
instead of hiding behind "Forum Walls".

Thank You!!

John Burdick wrote:
>>Second Request - as Kelly Shaffer suggested in a previous email,
>>please move the off-topic posts to their appropriate forum. This
>>forum is for Vegas Pro, Vegas Video and Vegas Audio. Thank you.
>>
>>Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>>>Hi Karl,
>>>>
>>>>I think after of read the SF email, the teory of Brian can be
true.
>>I
>>>>thinking that SF don't abandon the Audio Pro now, but is very
>>>>probable in a near future (1 years).
>>>>
>>>>This is very important for the Audio Pro users, this way can be
>>>>opossite to his interest, and very dangerous to his investiment in
>>>>Sonic Foundry products (will be discontinued the Audio Pro
products
>>>>without any notice or solution, like the CD Architect). Why the
>>Vegas
>>>>Audio release is to be later of Vegas Video release?
>>>>
>>>>I'm Agree with the Brians teory.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards
>>>>
>>>>>>Vegas Audio, only a month old, is by all standards on the
cutting
>>>>>>edge when it comes to cost effective multitrack *editing*
>>programs
>>>>>>and certainly puts lie to the assumption that SF is "abandoning
>>>>audio
>>>>>>pros".
>>>>

Hello Burdick,


1º I don't start this topic "SF Abandons Audio Pros!!", Why you write
me?

2º You are mistaken, this is a "ON-TOPIC", I write about VEGAS (And
this trouble affect all Sonic Foundry users), please, read your
Forum's terms, and next you will write rigth to your forum's terms.
In your oppinion, What is the appropiate forum for this tread?.

3º This is my second request (The first is for Shaffer and this is
for you): Please don't reply off-topics in a ON-TOPIC post.

Bye

P.D. If don't like the terms of a post, don't read.


>>John Burdick wrote:
>>Second Request - as Kelly Shaffer suggested in a previous email,
>>please move the off-topic posts to their appropriate forum. This
>>forum is for Vegas Pro, Vegas Video and Vegas Audio. Thank you.

Brian:

I too am disappointed by the demise of CD ARC, and distressed at your
implication that Sound Forge will ne next. What have you seen, read
or heard that makes you believe the company will discontinue Sound
Forge? Is this a genuine possibility?


Brian Franz wrote:
>>Here is a recent reply by Sonic Foundry after they have
>>recently disclosed that they have quit making CD Architect.
>>
>>Thank you for contacting us. CD Architect has reached it's
>>end of life with Sonic Foundry because we are focusing on
>>internet content delivery and there were too many new drives
>>coming out each year that we could not keep up with for
>>support with CD Arc. Sonic Foundry is looking towards new
>>methods of mutli-media delivery and are constantly
>>developing new technologies in the internet delivery
>>area. I hope this helps to clarify. Thanks again.
>>
>>
>>I first thought that the end of CD architect would mean an
>>implimentation of putting it into a new release of Sound
>>Forge, because as a mastering tool, Sound Forge is quite
>>useless without the abilities to burn a Redbook CDR for
>>replication. This is what Steinberg did with it's new
>>release of Wavelab v3.0. It looks by this reply that us Pro
>>audio people are doomed and without a CD Architect soon
>>Sound Forge will come to pass also. Maybe that's why we
>>haven't seen a new release of Sound Forge to compete with
>>the features of Wavelab, because the next Sound Forge will
>>be more Streaming media based. That doesn't help us users
>>who originally purchased Sound Forge for doing Audio
>>Mastering and doing the kind of edits that yet aren't
>>implemented in Vegas Pro. Looks like a downward spiral for
>>Pro audio users. First CD Architect, then Sound Forge, and
>>then will fall Vegas Pro. Oh hell, at least we'll be able
>>to listen to audio from the internet, but I guess it will be
>>audio which was originally created by Pro Tools users.

Hello Tim.

We have no plans of discontinuing Sound Forge at this time.

Thank you.


tim tully wrote:
>>Brian:
>>
>>I too am disappointed by the demise of CD ARC, and distressed at
your
>>implication that Sound Forge will ne next. What have you seen, read
>>or heard that makes you believe the company will discontinue Sound
>>Forge? Is this a genuine possibility?
>>
>>
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>Here is a recent reply by Sonic Foundry after they have
>>>>recently disclosed that they have quit making CD Architect.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for contacting us. CD Architect has reached it's
>>>>end of life with Sonic Foundry because we are focusing on
>>>>internet content delivery and there were too many new drives
>>>>coming out each year that we could not keep up with for
>>>>support with CD Arc. Sonic Foundry is looking towards new
>>>>methods of mutli-media delivery and are constantly
>>>>developing new technologies in the internet delivery
>>>>area. I hope this helps to clarify. Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I first thought that the end of CD architect would mean an
>>>>implimentation of putting it into a new release of Sound
>>>>Forge, because as a mastering tool, Sound Forge is quite
>>>>useless without the abilities to burn a Redbook CDR for
>>>>replication. This is what Steinberg did with it's new
>>>>release of Wavelab v3.0. It looks by this reply that us Pro
>>>>audio people are doomed and without a CD Architect soon
>>>>Sound Forge will come to pass also. Maybe that's why we
>>>>haven't seen a new release of Sound Forge to compete with
>>>>the features of Wavelab, because the next Sound Forge will
>>>>be more Streaming media based. That doesn't help us users
>>>>who originally purchased Sound Forge for doing Audio
>>>>Mastering and doing the kind of edits that yet aren't
>>>>implemented in Vegas Pro. Looks like a downward spiral for
>>>>Pro audio users. First CD Architect, then Sound Forge, and
>>>>then will fall Vegas Pro. Oh hell, at least we'll be able
>>>>to listen to audio from the internet, but I guess it will be
>>>>audio which was originally created by Pro Tools users.

No I have not heard anything about Sound Forge being discontinued, my
point was that Sound Forge was originally a Stereo Editing Mastering
Tool. So mastering engineers like me also need the ability to make a
"Redbook" standard CD. This was what CD architect did for Sound
Forge, the other cool thing it did for Sound Forge was allow it do non
destuctive editing. It just looks like SF is abandoning the whole
mastering field by discontinuing CD architect and leaning on sound
forge to be more of a web based audio tool. I had made a suggestion
to SF to impliment CD architect into the next Sound Forge release and
allow the new CD Architect to write a "CD Image" file that would be
recognized by other 3rd party CDr software companies like
Adaptec,Cdrwin and Nero who stay up to date on Hardware drivers. That
sounds like a reasonable, easy solution to me, but that would take
some time away from the "Streaming Media" programming which SF seems
to be more interested in.

Oh and one more look into my crystal ball for SF. When everyone
eventually abandons their 56K modems and moves to cable modems, DSL
or Fiber Optics,which will eventually be able to handle "REAL AUDIO"
(ie 44.1Khz Stereo in REAL TIME" then all these "REAL AUDIO" (ie
streaming media,MP3) internet tools will become obsolete. But thanks,
for the wasted efforts anyways.

K.Shaffer wrote:
>>Hello Tim.
>>
>>We have no plans of discontinuing Sound Forge at this time.
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>tim tully wrote:
>>>>Brian:
>>>>
>>>>I too am disappointed by the demise of CD ARC, and distressed at
>>your
>>>>implication that Sound Forge will ne next. What have you seen,
read
>>>>or heard that makes you believe the company will discontinue Sound
>>>>Forge? Is this a genuine possibility?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>>>Here is a recent reply by Sonic Foundry after they have
>>>>>>recently disclosed that they have quit making CD Architect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you for contacting us. CD Architect has reached it's
>>>>>>end of life with Sonic Foundry because we are focusing on
>>>>>>internet content delivery and there were too many new drives
>>>>>>coming out each year that we could not keep up with for
>>>>>>support with CD Arc. Sonic Foundry is looking towards new
>>>>>>methods of mutli-media delivery and are constantly
>>>>>>developing new technologies in the internet delivery
>>>>>>area. I hope this helps to clarify. Thanks again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I first thought that the end of CD architect would mean an
>>>>>>implimentation of putting it into a new release of Sound
>>>>>>Forge, because as a mastering tool, Sound Forge is quite
>>>>>>useless without the abilities to burn a Redbook CDR for
>>>>>>replication. This is what Steinberg did with it's new
>>>>>>release of Wavelab v3.0. It looks by this reply that us Pro
>>>>>>audio people are doomed and without a CD Architect soon
>>>>>>Sound Forge will come to pass also. Maybe that's why we
>>>>>>haven't seen a new release of Sound Forge to compete with
>>>>>>the features of Wavelab, because the next Sound Forge will
>>>>>>be more Streaming media based. That doesn't help us users
>>>>>>who originally purchased Sound Forge for doing Audio
>>>>>>Mastering and doing the kind of edits that yet aren't
>>>>>>implemented in Vegas Pro. Looks like a downward spiral for
>>>>>>Pro audio users. First CD Architect, then Sound Forge, and
>>>>>>then will fall Vegas Pro. Oh hell, at least we'll be able
>>>>>>to listen to audio from the internet, but I guess it will be
>>>>>>audio which was originally created by Pro Tools users.

>>allow the new CD Architect to write a "CD Image" file that would be
>>recognized by other 3rd party CDr software companies like
>>Adaptec,Cdrwin and Nero who stay up to date on Hardware drivers.

Most sensible thing I have read.
Very good idea...I would like to hear why they wouldnt do this...
I am sure they will or something better