Show-stopper in 9.0a; must roll back to 7.0e

Tech Diver wrote on 7/26/2009, 9:28 AM

For the past two years or so, I have been using Vegas 7.0. I skipped the upgrade to V Pro 8 bought the upgrade to V Pro 9 when it first came out but did not install it until 9.0a was released this past week. Unfortunately, my experience has not been good. I have NEVER complained about Vegas and have always managed to deal with little problems here and there.

I hit a major bug that is killing my ability to do my work (and produce income). ANY still image that I rotate to either positive or negative 45 degrees "blows up". That is, as you approach the critical angle the image gets more out of focus until it is an indistinguishable blur. Then you get the infamous red screen. This is 100% repeatable and is just one of several "show stoppers" that I have experienced with 9.0a. Has anyone seen this yet?

I never had such problems when I upgraded from version 6.0 to 7.0. As I recall it was quite smooth and the bugs were only minor annoyances that were later fixed. I am still a great fan of Vegas and the Madison team, but I must confess that I am quite disappointed in this latest version. In a few months when version 9.0c or 9.0d is released, I will once again do an upgrade. But until then, it's back to 7.0e for me.

Peter

Comments

TheHappyFriar wrote on 7/26/2009, 9:34 AM

what did they day when you submitted the support ticket?

rs170a wrote on 7/26/2009, 9:37 AM

Has anyone seen this yet?

Sure have :-(
See my reply in the jpegs frustration thread.
I've reported this but the more folks that do means that they might work on it even quicker and get it resolved.

Mike

Tech Diver wrote on 7/26/2009, 9:53 AM

Happy, I just reported the bug this morning, so I don't expect to hear back until Monday at the earliest. As soon as I get something I will share it with the group.

rs170a, thanks for the link. Perhaps my bug report along with yours, will help to push for a resolution. By the way, the problem occurs with ANY still format at ANY size. Not just with large JPEGs.

Since many of my videos include the use of corporate logos flying in at various angles, this bug is an absolute showstopper. I really wish I didn't have to roll back, but I have little choice.

Peter

xberk wrote on 7/26/2009, 10:08 AM

In 9.0a I'm seeing this behavior on any size JPG but not on all size PNG files -- I don't know how big the PNG has to be to see it. I've seen it on PNG's at 1500 x 1000 (150dpi) --- but I don't see it on very small PNG's like, 400 x 400 (72dpi) -- but I haven't tested for all conditions.

I put a report into SCS. I don't think this behavior existed in 9.0.

[r]Evolution wrote on 7/26/2009, 10:25 AM

...and is just one of several "show stoppers" that I have experienced with 9.0a.

I know things like this can be super frustrating and seriously put a damper on a project. (I too use this workflow) They can also cause us to be a bit more dramatic than necessary. Out of curiosity, what are the other "show stoppers"?

gwailo wrote on 7/26/2009, 10:43 AM

I was holding out for a while but after 9.0a's disappointment
I'm also rolling back, but only to 8.0d

Showstoppers for me are:

1) text clips randomly reverting to "sample text"
2) using the selective pre-render video (shift-m) corrupts my secondary monitor

I will miss the 4 point envelope editing though.

And it will be a pain to reconstruct the projects I did in 9.
But I've discovered that you can copy & paste between different versions.
I just need to recreate my plugins on all the tracks.

Vegas 8 worked well and previewed much better, hopefully 9.0b will work so I can upgrade to win7 64bit
I don't expect 9.0b for quite a while, so maybe 9 will work properly by then and win7 will be out.

I guess vegas 9 is Sony's vista.

Please fight back like Microsoft did, I really do like using Vegas when it works.

See you in a few months

Tech Diver wrote on 7/26/2009, 12:02 PM

The other showstoppers are:

1. The text problem that gwailo mentioned.

2. Random errors in cross-fades between two NTSC DV clips. The problem manifests itself as flashing/flipping between the two images with interspersed square blocks. The image looks nearly identical to data dropouts when watching digital TV that has bad signal reception. I know the clips that I tested do not have any dropouts. The workaround is to restart Vegas and the problem disappears for a short 15 minutes at which point you must again restart. This only happens when adding or moving clips in the timeline and not while adding effects.

Though there is a workaround for #2, I can not afford to give up 2 minutes of my time, every quarter hour. It just kills my productivity and interrupts my train of thought. If I did this just as a hobby maybe I could tolerate it, but for the projects that are generating revenue, this is a showstopper.

gwailo wrote on 7/26/2009, 12:13 PM

yes the black blocks

i get those as well, sometimes it opens okay, sometimes they play like that

didn't get the black blocks in transitions, but I did when I did a mask layer

sooooo many bugs

xberk wrote on 7/26/2009, 12:40 PM

Random errors in cross-fades between two NTSC DV clips. The problem manifests itself as flashing/flipping between the two images

Yep. I've seen this with the same solution, close Vegas and reopen it. But oddly, I'm seeing it less and less. Weird. Don't recall this being a problem in 9.0 .. Can't say I've seen it on any project that I began in 9.0a. I keep suspecting some change in 9.0a that 9.0 files doesn't like. Glad to hear it's not just me. If I see it one more time on a new 9.0a project, I'll put a report into SCS.

gwailo wrote on 7/26/2009, 12:54 PM

i reported the black box thing when 9.0 first came out,

9.0a did not include a fix for it

but if you have some magic mojo with SCS please report it as well, i'm tired of beta-testing vegas 9.0 and I'm moving back to 8

There were so many problems fixed with 9.0a, but none of the problems I had were addressed or even listed as known issues, but I keep seeing other people with the same problems in this forum.

I will try 9.0b (when it arrives) on win7 on a spare computer and will see if i can use it for daily work.

Never thought I'd say this... but final cut pro on a new mac is looking like an option.
At least it has known workarounds for the bugs

Tech Diver wrote on 7/26/2009, 1:38 PM

xberk, I never installed 9.0 because I went directly to 9.0a, so I suspect that it is not a 9/9a compatibility issue.

gwailo, I think that FCP has its issues as well so you may just want to sit tight for a bit. If version 8 has served you well then just keep using it.

I have already rolled back to 7.0e since this morning. Now I can continue my work and I am no worse off than before the upgrade. My strategy will be to patiently wait for the next release(s) and for the forum to have consensus that we a solid version of 9.0 to work with. There is nothing currently in 9.0 that I absolutely NEED to have.

By the way, because I have been on Vegas 7 I had never experienced the capabilities of the ProType Titler until now. I found it a bit awkward and lacking in features compared to Boris Red (which is not particularly easy to use at first). I'm not bashing Sony, I'm just a little surprised since I was expecting something a bit different.

MTuggy wrote on 7/26/2009, 3:51 PM

There is a work around I just tested, granted it could be a pain to do if you have a lot of pics to rotate to 45 degrees. Using track motion to do the rotation, the bug isn't there when your rotate the image that way. I suppose you could have a single track set aside for all of your rotations and just keyframe the hell out of it.

Mike

CAPNDigital wrote on 7/27/2009, 8:59 AM

I am seeing the same results with rotating graphics (any size) past 45 degrees (+/-).
I tried both JPEG and PNG. Same problem. -45 or +135 seems to cause the biggest problems.

Using 32-bit version on Win XP with Intel Core 2 Duo.

I too have just recently upgraded from 7.0 to 9.0a and frankly this version doesn't "feel" as solid as any previous versions I have used since Vegas Video (2.0). And why do they keep tweeking the UI to look and act more and more like FCP or Premiere? Ugggh!

CAPN Digital

The Kid wrote on 7/27/2009, 12:00 PM

I found the same problem had a mask of a cross went to rotate it to make the cross straight and it blurred out at the 45 mark At first i thought it was just the mask but now everyone is seeing it

TheHappyFriar wrote on 7/27/2009, 5:39 PM

Did the acknowledge the error yet?

I helped figure out the weird white screen error that was in 8 & 9, it got fixed in 9a. Make sure you give them EVERY possible detail, from project settings to media settings. If could be under a very specific setting that a lot of people use normally but others don't.

RedEyeRob wrote on 7/27/2009, 8:06 PM

Peter, or anyone still using version 9a, here is a temporary fix for the Jpeg blur issue. I find that if you alter the "source" field in the Pan/Crop window, changing either the maintain aspect to "no" or the stretch to fill frame to "no", the blur problem goes away.

xberk wrote on 7/27/2009, 9:24 PM

RedEye -- I confirm your temp fix. Worked for me. Best I think to change "Maintain Aspect Ratio" to no - but not sure of consquences of that setting.

Tech Diver wrote on 7/30/2009, 1:27 PM

RedEye, Thank's for your creative fix. Your work-around seems to make a lot of sense because the error looks as if the pixels are being stretched to the point where only one single pixel fills the entire screen. As for me, I have already rolled back to 7.0e and will remain there until something like 9.0c is released.

Peter

set wrote on 9/7/2009, 3:21 AM

Hi everyone, I was having almost similar issue on still images as discussed in this thread, I'm doing slow zooms on the images (using Event Pan/Crop tool), after prerendered, there's some 'jaggies' on slow movement (as if the sub-pixel rendering didn't work, reminding me the time of Prem**** long time ago.

Reading this thread, turning off the Maintain Aspect Ratio fixes the problems.

Hmm, Vegas 8.0c still the most stable (for me)

Former user wrote on 9/7/2009, 9:38 AM

It's been fixed in 9.0b

set wrote on 9/7/2009, 5:20 PM

hi anatavism,

I have updated to 9.0b too, but the problem is still there, although not at all slow-zooms.

In my photo montage project, the problem appears on 2 images from total of about 40 images.