Simple question about video resolutions

Popo wrote on 4/24/2002, 12:54 PM

I keep getting conflicting information about what is "broadcast" NTSC resolution, and would love to get some clarification on this.

I've seen broadcast resolution described as 720x480 but *also* as 352x240. (?)

What's even more confusing is that DVD resolution is 720x480,
and it seems contradictory that the NTSC standard would be identical to high-res
DVD's.

Does anyone know what standard TV resolution is? I am rendering out 3D animations and editing them in Vegas and I would love to know what resolution I should be working at (and rendering at) for a (minimum?) broadcast quality.

Thanks in advance.

--Popo

( sohonyc@yahoo.com )

Comments

Former user wrote on 4/24/2002, 1:13 PM
Actually Broadcast Digital Standard signal is 720 x 486. This is the D1 standard. The DV NTSC standard is 720 x 480. That is the setting that all DV editors use such as Vegas. The 352 x 240 is half resolution which is used for MPEG files and such.

For best quality for DV use 720 x 480. If you are using this at a television or video production facility (such as in an Avid Symphony system) , check with them to see if they want 720 x 480 or 720 x 486.

Dave T2
swarrine wrote on 4/24/2002, 9:43 PM
Not to throw wood in the fire, however, is 3D in square or rectangular pixels?
bjornkn wrote on 4/25/2002, 5:01 AM
>Not to throw wood in the fire, however, is 3D in square or rectangular pixels?

I'm not sure if you meant a 3D model or something else?
Anyway, in the 3D world you don't work with pixels, but mm, cm, inch and so on.
Although I have a hard time trying to find the logic behind the Imperial measuring system I don't think it operates with "rectangular inches".
At least the Metric system does not ;-)
When rendering 2D images from 3D models you usually have the choice to enter aspect value to make it conform to the myriad of different video resolutions.

BTW, I have one big problem with my ATI RAdeon card - it doesn't have a 1280x960 mode, but only 1280x1024, which does not give square pixels unless I want to run it with black rectangles on the sides of my screen :-(
For some reason all the other resolutions are "correct" in that they have the same aspect ratio (4:3)
Chienworks wrote on 4/25/2002, 7:08 AM
I've seen about a half and half split on that. Some cards offer 1280x960 and some offer 1280x1024. I think Microsoft pushes the 1280x1024 because i see that mentioned in their help literature. At 24 bits, it also fills more of a 4MB VRAM space than 1280x960 does. 1280x960 wastes the VRAM by not using it all. However, to maintain consitent ratios, it would be nice of the 1280x1024 manufacturers allowed the user to choose 1280x960 instead.

I'm just waiting to get a 19" monitor so i can go to 1600x1200 and be done with the problem. :)
Mike M. wrote on 4/25/2002, 10:08 AM
Broadcast television resolution standard is CCIR 601. The standard calls for 720x480
pixels.
kkolbo wrote on 4/25/2002, 10:59 AM
Not to throw wood on the fire either, but ... pixel count resolution has very little to do with broadcast resolution. The DV standard for NTSC is 720 x 480. That does not directly correspond to the horizontal and vertical resolution of a broadcast TV. Actually the Horizontal resolution is much less that. That is the reason that SVCD 480 x 480 works. The Horizontal resolution of the TV is less than that. The problem with SVCD is the bit rate not the pixels. I hope an engineer will jump and and explain it because I am not good at it. The key is that your TV is analog not digital. (those of you with digital TV please be quiet, I am a still in the stone age here)

K

Former user wrote on 4/25/2002, 2:49 PM
720 x 480 is the DV standard. Broadcast digital is 720 x 486 NTSC.

From the Adobe support page:

D1 or "digital video" (also referred to as CCIR-601or ITU-R 601) is an international television standard for component video. It has a 4:3 frame aspect ratio, a .9:1 pixel aspect ratio and either a 720x486 screen resolution (D1 NTSC) or 720x576 (D1 PAL). Another video format with a non-square pixel aspect ratio, DV has a resolution of 720x480 pixels and uses D1 pixel aspect ratio. Because D1 is an international standard, you can use it with video formats for both NTSC (National Television Standard Committee, the broadcast standard in the U. S. and Japan) and PAL (Phase Alternating Line, the broadcast standard in Europe). The D1 video standard is commonly used with professional desktop digital video systems, whereas NTSC format is commonly used with consumer-grade desktop digital video systems. D1 comprises rectangular (i.e., non-square) pixels, instead of the square pixels for most Mac OS- and Windows-based systems.


Dave T2
bjornkn wrote on 4/26/2002, 2:32 AM
>I'm just waiting to get a 19" monitor so i can go to 1600x1200 and be done with the >problem. :)

That may solve the aspect problem, but it certainly will give you other problems if you're running 1600x1200 on 19". I have been using a 19" for years, but 1280 is the absolute max horizontal res that I'm comfortable with.
Chienworks wrote on 4/26/2002, 5:32 AM
bjornkn, more is better in my opinion. 1280x1024 is ok for 15" and 17" monitors. A friend of mine is running 2560x1920 on his 21" for CAD and it's fantastic!