sizing up a sufficient computer to edit HD

s k r o o t a y p wrote on 5/3/2010, 6:19 PM
previously i mentioned that my new canon vixia hf 10 was prompting me toward a new computer for hd editing. anyone have any feedback on this one? i'm not familiar with Asus. Also how significant is the role of processor speed? This Asus Essentio offers 2.6GHz (in each of it's 2 cores i'm assuming) while my current 5 yr old pc has 2.20GHz. what kind of number am i looking for here w/ hd in mind?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Factory-Refurbished+Essentio+Desktop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Pentium%26%23174%3B+Processor/9917376.p?skuId=9917376&id=1218194636481

t h a n k s !
david

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david_f_knight wrote on 5/3/2010, 8:33 PM
ASUS isn't well known for computer systems (at least in the USA), but they are very well known and well regarded for designing and building motherboards. A motherboard is the main board in a computer. Virtually every other component in a computer plugs into the motherboard. The motherboard is a complicated and essential component of any computer, and it kind of regulates every other component in your computer.

I have owned a computer with an ASUS motherboard and an ASUS graphics card, and had no problems with them, so I would not have any qualms about buying an ASUS computer. (All the other components in a computer will be made by other companies, anyway.)

The issue with the Canon Vixia HF 10 is that it shoots AVCHD video, which requires considerable "horsepower" to process smoothly. The bottleneck in processing AVCHD video is the CPU (central processing unit), otherwise thought of as the "brains" of a computer. In other words, to have a computer process AVCHD well, you need a sufficiently powerful CPU. (You also need enough memory but that aspect is trivial, and the computer you're considering has plenty.) The computer you asked about has the Intel E5400 CPU (Pentium dual core) which has a 2.7GHz clock frequency (the clock frequency is one of several aspects of significance). You can read a little about that CPU here.

My current computer has a CPU that is a little bit faster (2.8Ghz) and more powerful than the one in the computer you are considering. It is this one (Intel E7400 Core 2 Duo dual core). My computer is a little underpowered for editing AVCHD smoothly, but not so much that it bothers me. Different people have different tolerances for what they are willing to accept, though. If you are going to be editing AVCHD all day, day in and day out, my computer would be inadequate for the task, but I don't spend that much time editing. I do not have personal experience with the CPU that the computer you are considering has, but it is a given that it will be somewhat more underpowered for editing AVCHD than mine. My guess is that it might just barely be acceptable if you are pretty tolerant of jerkiness during editing (previewing). So, if you want smooth previewing, you will definitely need a faster/more powerful CPU.

Note: it's tricky trying to compare CPUs by their clock rates. They really need to be in the same CPU family to be comparable in that regard. But as bad as it is, that's the metric used for classifying their speeds. You can google tech sites that review various CPUs to find comparisons between different families and clock rates of them.
Byron K wrote on 5/4/2010, 12:36 AM
Here's a link to a link to posts on this very topic. (;

www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=685054

Here's a link to Sony's recommended system. You can use this as a guide if you build your own.

www.sonycreativesoftware.com/mastersuite

In summary, HD video editing takes a lot of horsepower and works better on an i7 920, 960 or Xenon Processors w/ 8-12Gigs of RAM. Just click on the profiles to see what type of systems.

I personally wouldn't hesitate to purchase an ASUS PC. I've used their motherboards for years since the P3 days and all of my ASUS machines are still running..
david_f_knight wrote on 5/4/2010, 7:47 AM
There's no argument that the faster your PC, the better your AVCHD editing experience will be. Considering that the original poster's PC under consideration cost $369.99, and Sony's cheapest recommended PC costs $3,999.00, there's a big difference in budgets involved. If cost is no object, buy a supercomputer. If you have to live within a budget, and want to find the cheapest PC that will reasonably edit AVCHD video, then your job will require more work to find the PC that sits at that threshold. Also, it depends on what you'll be doing. If you are a professional video editor working with AVCHD all the time, then you should expect to invest in the tools for that job. But, if you're more of a hobbiest (this is the Movie Studio forum, afterall) and only edit AVCHD occasionally, then your requirements will probably be a bit lower. Only the original poster can answer those questions.
Mike M. wrote on 5/4/2010, 9:17 AM

s k r o o t a y p (David):

Have a look at my two system specs in my profile and you can see the difference between an outdated (although somewhat usable) one and my new one. You can never "future proof" but my second system is what you should be looking for currently.

Don't worry about the video card, you can probably go cheaper if you want. Now, keep in mind that I built mine for under $2K USD, but you can purchase a similar built system from Dell. Just use their online "custom builder". If you don't like Dell, then there may be others out there. I don't believe ASUS has a system that would work.
richard-amirault wrote on 5/4/2010, 1:51 PM
Just use their online "custom builder".

Where do I find *that*? I found one page that said "XPS Build Your Own Desktops" ... but all I could do is select existing Dells, not build one to my spec.
david_f_knight wrote on 5/4/2010, 2:27 PM
Or, if you'd rather not spend $2000 or $4000 for a computer for editing AVCHD video with Movie Studio, you could transcode your AVCHD video to another format (search this forum for Cineform; others have discussed it) for $100.

You don't need to spend thousands for, as the thread subject says, "a sufficient computer to edit HD."
Paul C wrote on 5/4/2010, 3:09 PM
Like many people, I faced a similar issue. I've got a Dell Latitude D820, 2GHz Core2Duo, but was reluctant to upgrade (couldn't find anything to match my current setup of 1680x1050 display and two HDDs in the laptop that was within my budget), I tried Cineform Neoscene, but it didn't play nicely with the AVCHD Lite files from my Panasonic FZ38 camera.

So I upgraded to Vegas Pro 9, and I use the Proxy Stream script to create 640x360 MPEG2 proxy files which edit with no stress at all, then switch back to AVCHD to render. So I can keep my underpowered laptop, and for the price I would have paid for a laptop, I've got Vegas Pro 9 with DVD Architect Pro.

Not saying this is a solution for everyone, but it's another approach to the problem.

Paul
Mike M. wrote on 5/4/2010, 9:39 PM
brighterside:

It is more convoluted then I've ever seen. Anyway, you have to click around until you get to a series and then you click personalize. Here's an example:

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dxdwpp3&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=desktop-studio-xps-9000
s k r o o t a y p wrote on 5/5/2010, 2:38 PM
thanks everyone! lots to chew on. my emphasis would be on a sufficient computer since i am not doing editing for a living. however choppy playback really extinguishes my enthusiasm when i'm editing and i can't see how a fade or some edit looks. what are your thoughts on a quad core system? can this provide the horsepower needed for AVCHD? will all 4 cores be engaged in the editing/ previewing process if VMS is the only program open?