Slomo discussion

Rory Cooper wrote on 2/22/2012, 1:43 AM
Ok guys ..discussion ..not concussion.

Hopefully the tecno gurus on this forum can come up with a good workflow and correct my mental approach to this.

Suggested workflow.
Sony Vegas fps playback =1 frameserve to Virtualdub increace framerate back to Vegas frameserve to motionperfect
Or
Sony Vegas playback.5 frameserve to motion perfect.

Overdid the motion perfect to emphasize the point.



If someone can compare clips from MVTools and motionperfect would be cool.

Comments

amendegw wrote on 2/22/2012, 4:35 AM
Rory,

Any chance you could put the original footage in a spot for download?

...Jerry

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Rory Cooper wrote on 2/29/2012, 5:55 AM
finally got sorted with Avisynth and MVTools.

Did a comparison with Motionperfect and a sequence of 50 frames to MP = “50bucks USA” each sequenced increased. Generally speaking if you run a sequence at 30 percent reduction in either workflow the results will be ok

For fall asleep slomo I found frameserving a png image sequence of 100 frames gives almost no pixel morphing but is slightly jerky how to overcome this I don’t know. Win on the clarity lose on the motion.



Anyway will mess around during real work when I get a gap
Please folks play around and post your results good or bad you learn more from the bad stuff than from the good.

@Jerry I am trying to get some stuff on yousendit.
Laurence wrote on 2/29/2012, 8:06 AM
Is Dynapel Motion Perfect still limited to SD resolution?
amendegw wrote on 2/29/2012, 4:10 PM
Rory,

I think you've reached the limits of what you can expect from 25p footage. It's difficult (impossible?) for any SloMo software to create something out of nothing.



I recall Grazie proposing a universal standard of 100 fps capture. Maybe some day??

...Jerry

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Rory Cooper wrote on 3/1/2012, 2:33 AM
Jerry I agree totally but pushing things to the limit helps to make it clear in your own mind where the boundaries are for you as an editor or producer.
The weird thing is super slomo is only effective for a short period of time. People can only handle walking on the moon in short bursts more than that it becomes mind garbage and the audience will become dethatched.

From the clips I have rendered out my first choice of workflow would be Avisynth and MVTools = the results had a natural feel better than Boris. so thank you for your effort and direction also to John Meyer much appreciated.

Now and then I would like to be able to use eXtreme slomo for a short period to create pace in a clip. The problem then is that there is a lot of morphing happening in this case.
So to prevent the morphing I use image sequences of 100 fps the images are good no morphing but tend to have a slight jerky feel. It would be nice if this could be overcome.

I did get that script sorted so thanks for the help.

100 fps in cams that cost the same as 25fps cams would be the answer.
Grazie wrote on 3/1/2012, 2:46 AM
How about "no" frames. Just get rid of them completely.

G

Rory Cooper wrote on 3/1/2012, 4:31 AM
Nooooo…Grazie I am thinking of charging by the frames = a way of doing less work for more money something like international bankers are doing making it from nothing.

Some 720p stuff the last clip is an example of frame serving image sequence to reduce pixel morphing all clips origin 25p with motionperfect

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amendegw wrote on 3/1/2012, 4:45 AM
Rory,

To my old eyes this last clip with parrot (or is that a macaw?) and spoonbill looks very nice, smooth SloMo.

...Jerry

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