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PipelineAudio wrote on 10/31/2002, 9:53 PM
http://www.purgatorycreek.com/smpte.html

woohoo that PARIS guy to the rescue, Brian tankersley

R.I.P. PARIS
MJhig wrote on 10/31/2002, 9:56 PM
Midi-ox will generate MIDI timecode and MIDI clock at the same time, you can adjust from 24 Fps to 30 Fps and is an awesome virtual MIDI router when you install the MIDI-yoke from within the program. It also does many other MIDI utilities like mapping and sysex dumping and saving. I've used it for years. It's very small and reliable and FREE.


http://www.midiox.com/
MJ
PipelineAudio wrote on 10/31/2002, 10:25 PM
I need it as audio tho, but Ill check out midi ox
Rednroll wrote on 11/1/2002, 8:56 AM
Vegas will generate smpte timecode. I do it all the time. You just need a midi interface that has a 1/4" smpte out jack. You route MTC to that MIDI port and out comes audio SMPTE that you can record or stripe to tape. I'm kinda shocked you don't know about this stuff with all your analog up bringing and background. Surely you've had to stripe a 2" tape before or sync a sequencer to tape?
PipelineAudio wrote on 11/1/2002, 11:58 AM
When I used to dump 8 tracks at a time into vegas, I was using an SY-88 card on a DA-88 and sending MTC from vegas thru a MIDI cable into the SY-88.

Im asking if vegas can generate SMPTE as audio. previous knowledge of Sync setups has nothing to do with whether or not a certain manufacturer puts an audio time code generator in their software.

Anyway, it looks like vegas wont do this internally. Looking around, it seems cubase will do it but nuendo wont? shouldnt it be the other way around? That BT page had a long wave of smpte so I guess Im ok anyhow.
Rednroll wrote on 11/1/2002, 2:28 PM
I thought you had some MOTU audio and midi interface....doesn't that have a SMPTE out? If it does then alls you have to do is route that out to whatever you're trying to sync. I do this all the time with my external sequencers. Sorry, just thought if you had worked on 2" tape, like you said you had then you would already be familiar with this, since there's no midi chords on a 2" machine. I also figured you had to sync 2" up to a DA-88 or adat in the past....can't do that through a midi chord either. No Vegas doesn't do this internally to a track. It does it internally without using a track, and the result can be seen on the time display window.

Sorry, just thought that someone who's done this recording thing everyday for the last ten years, might know a little more about smpte and syncing things up. I can email you some smpte if you like?
PipelineAudio wrote on 11/1/2002, 3:02 PM
Jeezus christ
of course I know how to use smpte, that wasnt the question.
The question was does vegas have a way of outputting smpte as audio LIKE A 2" machine would use. Since theres no MIDI cord on a 2" machine.

The MOTU collects dust, but I think it does have some smpte I/O, but its audio style, tho it has midi too...I need smpte as AUDIO. I dont have a standalone smpte genrator, except one of my DA-88's but that collects dust too, theres no audio I/o hooked up to it right now, and I was just hoping I could generate some in software.
I am well aware that I can generate it as MTC, but wasnt sure about audio.

" I also figured you had to sync 2" up to a DA-88 or adat in the past....can't do that through a midi chord either."

yeah which would be smpte as AUDIO, which is what Im looking for.

I guess Ill just hook up the old DA-88 and run ten minutes of every timecode format into the PC and save the files for use later. SHEESH not such a hard question to just say " no vegas cannot GENERATE SMPTE as audio " no need to go questioning vredibilities on a toally unrelated subject
Rednroll wrote on 11/1/2002, 4:02 PM
IS there something you're not understanding....or should I type s-l-o-w-e-r.

YES!!! Vegas will output SMPTE (audio smpte)....that's what SMPTE IS....AUDIO. If you put smpte out a midi port...then it's referred too as Midi TIME Code....NOT SMPTE....although it's the same thing. So select the midi output port that is the SMPTE OUT of your midi interface within VEGAS....You will notice if you have a MOTU 8out midi interface with a SMPTE OUT 1/4inch jack that there will be 9 midi output ports....8 for the midi jacks and 1 for the 1/4 inch SMPTE out. Select that output port within VEGAS and select "Generate Midi Time Code" within Vegas....out the 1/4inch jack will spew SMPTE audio. The MOTU with a SMPTE out jack will convert Midi Time Code out into SMPTE out.....or audio as you refer to it. Am I explaining this well enough for you or do I have to come plug the chords in for you too? "JEEZUS CHRIST"!!!

So one more time....YES, VEGAS WILL OUTPUT SMPTE AUDIO, IF YOU HAVE A MIDI INTERFACE WITH A 1/4" SMPTE OUT. Isn't that what I said in the first post AND now you're wondering why I question your credibility? JEEZ BEAVE

Oh...and BTW..."You're Welcome"....From the guy, who should have no say in Vegas features, because I don't do this type of work for a living....but somehow knows how to generate SMPTE timecode from Vegas....guess this knowledge was left over from a previous life time. I couldn't have gotten it from the 10 years of recording experience and teaching students.
PipelineAudio wrote on 11/1/2002, 4:44 PM
I dont want a midi interface hooked up to my PC if I can help it. And no vegas will NOT generate SMPTE as audio...PERIOD
A midi interface with smpte I/O will but thats not vegas. Its not semantics, I was hoping to stay in the box, trying to avoid any AD or DA conversions that might degrade the timecode except for the ones I cant help ( when vegas is sending the audio out to the device chasing)
please

"guess this knowledge was left over from a previous life time. I couldn't have gotten it from the 10 years of recording experience and teaching students. "

yeah vegas was around ten years ago

this has NOTHING to do with knowledge of anolog devices, this was a question about wheter or not vegas could fgenerate SMPTE as audio, not whether vegas can send MTC to an external midi device ( duh I knew it could you can go back two or three years in this very forum to see that I had been doing that all along) so save it with the semantics
kilroy wrote on 11/1/2002, 5:09 PM

Hmmm... Methinks you are looking for the app to post the timecode as an audio track i.e. just as your other project tracks. Cubase will do this. So will Samplitude. Why in the world this is not a standard feature of every audio app I have always wondered. Makes total sense to me, I mean jeez, how hard would that be?
PipelineAudio wrote on 11/1/2002, 6:08 PM
EXACTLY! thanks kilroy. It shouldnt have been " I thoyught you said you worked on tape" or " I thought you could repack parachutes" or " I thought you said you could field strip AK-47's " or anything else that has nothing to do with the price of beans in china. Thanks for the heads up about cubase and samplitude. Ill go generate some 10 minute tracks and maybe SF could be kind enough to host them in case anyone needs them ?
pwppch wrote on 11/2/2002, 3:28 PM
Vegas cannot generate SMPTE. Vegas can generate MTC.

NOTE to all that are going to jump on this. SMPTE is an analog audio signal much like FSK. MTC is a MIDI translation of SMPTE.

SAW was the only software I was aware of that ever tried anything like this.

Peter


pwppch wrote on 11/2/2002, 3:30 PM
The older MOTUs would not create SMPTE from MTC input. I believe some of the newer ones will.

The Frontier Design hardware has SodA technology. This will read SMPTE and convert it to MTC internally.

I believe JLCooper makes hardware that will convert MTC into SMPTE.

Peter
pwppch wrote on 11/2/2002, 3:34 PM
Really? Samp and Cubase?

I have looked everywhere in the docs for these apps and found nothing that lets them generate a SMPTE audio stream on the fly or even generate an audio track with SMPTE signals.

How did you set these apps up to do this?

Peter
Rednroll wrote on 11/3/2002, 1:01 PM
I think this is the part where I just have to sit back and laugh....

"is there ANY WAY to make vegas or any app that you know of genrate smpte as audio?"
That's a pretty clear question which I think I've answered for you...."Anyway" Yes!!! as I've stated 3 times now, If you have a midi interface with a SMPTE out 1/4" jack, then yes...you can generate smpte within Vegas wy feeding MTC to that midi port which get's converted to SMPTE audio.

"The MOTU collects dust, but I think it does have some smpte I/O, but its audio style, tho it has midi too...I need smpte as AUDIO."
Hmmmmmm...wow it has audio smpte...exactly what you're looking for.

"I guess Ill just hook up the old DA-88 and run ten minutes of every timecode format into the PC and save the files for use later."
Yeah, that would sound so much easier than just generating it from Vegas out the MOTU, having the ability to change to any format you want at any time location.

"SHEESH not such a hard question to just say " no vegas cannot GENERATE SMPTE as audio "
If that was you're original question, then I would have answered it that way...I believe the question was "is there ANY WAY"..BTW it's one word.

"I dont want a midi interface hooked up to my PC if I can help it. And no vegas will NOT generate SMPTE as audio...PERIOD."
Geez...I thought it was already hooked up? Remember me asking?

"I thought you had some MOTU audio and midi interface....doesn't that have a SMPTE out? If it does then alls you have to do is route that out to whatever you're trying to sync."

I guess this is what you get when you try to explain things to the mentally challenged, you have to repeat and re-explain yourself 3 times and then they come back and say "that's not what I was asking".
Rednroll wrote on 11/3/2002, 1:31 PM
"The older MOTUs would not create SMPTE from MTC input. I believe some of the newer ones will."

I have a MOTU paralel port Micro express and Pocket Express and mainly purchased them because they had SMPTE outputs. Both of these older units will output Smpte from a MTC input. So I'm not quite sure which older ones, you're referring too.
kilroy wrote on 11/3/2002, 2:32 PM

"I have looked everywhere in the docs for these apps and found nothing that lets them generate a SMPTE audio stream on the fly or even generate an audio track with SMPTE signals.

How did you set these apps up to do this?"

Right then....here we go.

Samplitude: go to tools menu, click on SMPTE generator, like magic up pops the window which allows you to choose frame rate, sample rate, start time, length etc. Click OK, give it a name and tell Samp where to save it, sit back and watch it generate the code and when it's finished it will obediently drop it in the active track at the cursor position.

One down...

Cubase (VST\32 5): Go to options, click on generate SMPTE, to our stunned amazement up pops the window which allows you to choose start time, frame rate and length. Sample rate here is assumed to be the project sample rate. Name it, tell it to put it somewhere, click OK, and away it goes. With Cubase you have to go grab the silly thing after and import it into your project. I guess Steinberg figured that no one would really be seriously thinking of generating the timecode for the current project, so they don't save you the bother of this extra step by automatically posting it in the current project window on a track of your choosing. Duh.

The idea behind this whole procedure is that you now have a sync track that is *perfectly* in sync with your audio hardware because that is where it was clocked from. If it was itself being clocked from a *really* good low jitter master then you are really in good shape. This is the best, most fool proof, way to get a high integrity sync track.

If you need to sync up other external slaves to your digital audio hardware then this master sync track is what you will want to use for that purpose.
PipelineAudio wrote on 11/3/2002, 3:39 PM
thanks kilroy!
I wanted to INTERNALLY generate a SMPTE audio track for three reasons

1: I dont want to hook any midi devices to my PC unless I have to

2: Call me paranoid, but I like to know that I have an already finished smpte track that isnt going anywhere and isnt going to be changed in any way ( this one could be made in other ways, I know but still)

3:I am concerned about lopping off the edges of a smpte track through multiple DA and AD conversions. If it only has to go thru ONE DA EVER, I am a happier guy, call me paranoid I dont care
AudioMAN wrote on 11/10/2002, 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: AudioMAN (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/8/2002 6:18:37 PM

Well, I've been reading some of the threads here and It has been obvious that some use this forum for audio purposes and some, who aparently don't have much of a life, use the forum to satisfy some inner insecurities, or maybe it's some kinda impotence problem with the ol' lady, or I think even more aparent, some have a basic agtagonisticly, inept ability to converse with peers. We all know who the later is,,, Rednroll,,, I just don't understand why this f'khead even hangs out here, it seems to be such a ordeal for him, HE IS THE KING OF "DRAMA QUEENS". WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS; how does he get into his house or car, his head must be the size of "port-a-potty", must be tough traveling around with such an ego. At this point, I guess I should be addressing him personally, Rednroll, my best advise is this, solve whatever life challenges or mental deficiencies you may have, outside of the forums, don't bring your BS to us, it is not only a waste of time to read your threads (due to the exhaustive effort you put into bashing honest, hardworking, PROFFESSIONALS). You may know a thing er two about a thing er two, but your being an A$$HOLE, far outways any talent or experience you may have acquired, and that is being quite generous,,, illuding to the fact that you may have any talent or experience. Your probably some 15 or 16 yr old, with repressive parents, who spends all his time in chat rooms, and makin' .mp3s, if your anything more, then listen to a newcomers feedback re: your obvious lack of proffessionalism and/or anger mgmt issues. Well I am feeling like this is gonna be a waste of time, as he's probably not gonna listen, and start f'king with me, what a loser. My sympathies, PipelineAudio, this guy is a real "piece of art or sh!t" depending on how one chooses to phrase it.



Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: AudioMAN (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/8/2002 8:05:52 PM

threads like this from rednroll are what encouraged my thread:

Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: Rednroll (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/7/2002 11:24:36 PM

Lol!!! The word "clueless" comes to mind. Oh Peter...Please help me, I'm an incompitent twit, can you please tell me how to route signals so they go unmolested.

Peter, give him some real advice and tell him to find another job, because if he doesn't even know how to route signals digitally without effecting them, then there's really no hope for this boy wonder.

THEN THE NEXT 2 THREADS REALLY PISSED ME OFF:

Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: Nat (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/8/2002 12:00:45 AM

I'd be interested by an answer, I'm a recording newbie and this info would help me,
Thanks
Reply

Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: Rednroll (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/8/2002 12:18:07 AM

Sorry Nat....you're a newby, but this guy has been recording for 10 years and still doesn't know the answer. Send me an email at REDNROLL@HOTMAIL.COM and I will tell you the answer.....for right now the suspence is gonna kill this expert......oh Please help me Peter......LOL!!!




Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: AudioMAN (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/10/2002 8:33:39 AM

What a tiny little mind, to think that only the reciepiants are bothered by your need to offend and insult those seeking knowlege. My last threads were written to state my disdain for your use of this forum to vent personal feelings re: other users whom you may have "issues" with, that is what email and chat rooms are for, get it out of your system, once and for all, don't fight like a girl, in a forum. And also in my last threads I wanted to commend those with the stamina and dedication to continue gaining wisdom, in spite of jerk-offs like you and myst. It is hard enough to find knowlege and "correct and accurate" information in our biz, there aren't many sources to get the education, especially at the level PipelineAudio is at, one must put in alot of time and effort and seek out those who have the "correct" info we need. I think that's why most of us are here, to seek info, NOT to contend with "farts in the wind", like you two. IF YOU'RE NOT HELPING, YOU'RE IN THE WAY. My appolgies to all who may have found my threads troublesome, but I have been reading the forum for awhile, getting tons of info without even having to post, but friggin' rednroll, has been buggin' the hell out of me with his BULL$HIT attitudes, and his willingness to use this forum, instead of privately voicing, his objections and complaints with PipelineAudio. I finally snapped and had to relay this. Unfortunately, I have completely resorted to thier mindless antics, which I will discontinue as of now, AS LONG AS rednroll, USES THE FORUM FOR IT'S INTENDED PURPOSES, TO ALLOW Sonic Foundry to get feedback on their products and TO GIVE US ALL A COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS AND CONSULT WITH OTHERS USING THESE SAME PRODUCTS.